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Am I being unreasonable about being offended when people think men should sit at the head of the table?

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TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 19:19

I grew up in a family of 4, my mum always sat me next to her, my brother opposite me and my dad opposite her at dinner time.

I grew up and got married, became a blended family of 5. DH started to set his dinner place at the head of the table, I asked why, he couldn’t say.

I told him it made me uncomfortable, that we are not in the 1950’s and that I would prefer he didn’t, so he stopped.

DH mum has now come to visit, she was laying the table and said ‘I’ll put DH at the head of the table’, I replied that we don’t do that here, she said I was being over sensitive and scoffed, and continued to set his place at the head of the table, so I moved it and told her she was welcome to do that in her house, but not here.

Now it’s awkward as fuck, and I can’t work out if I’m being a dick or am right to enforce my own rules in my own home. DH says I should have left it.

Was I being unreasonable, bracing myself for your answers?

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BlueMum16 · 22/10/2026 20:52

TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 20:43

She said ‘I’ll put DH at the head of the table’, whilst dragging a chair around

With your diagrams I would have put two down either side and one at each end rather than squeeze MIL in next to someone. Assuming room fro chairs at each end

As a family of 4 we sit side by side. When my DM comes for tea I put DD at the 'head' as she's messy, wriggles and elbows everyone rather than have 3 down one side.

If in-laws come I put both my DC (DD and DS) at the end. I will not purposely put my DH or FIL at the end just because they're male

As for calling out MIL, if have sat her at the end if she wanted a 'head'

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:53

Notellinganyone · 22/10/2026 20:47

Is this a joke?

No, it represents the natural order of things.

BrianAbsoluteWalloper · 22/10/2026 20:53

TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 20:43

She said ‘I’ll put DH at the head of the table’, whilst dragging a chair around

It's weird of her, and obviously based on some sexist idea in her head; but how is that space any different from any other space around the table? Just because she somehow ascribes extra value to it, that doesn't make it any kind of 'thing' - any more than if you have a little child who insists on 'their special bowl', because it happens to be blue, with all the rest being the same bowl but in different colours, and blue is their favourite colour... which must make that one 'the best'?

Puffinsandcoffee · 22/10/2026 20:55

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:43

I would much rather live in the 1950s than in this materialistic, selfish, self-centred, self-indulgent, anti-family, technology dominated society, that’s for sure!

Oh dear. I'm (relatively) traditional and conservative in my lifestyle by MN standards - we probably agree on lots of things - but this is puerile. It comes across like you've been watching tradwife influencers on social media, but have no experience whatsoever of what it's like to live in a family or culture where men really are completely in charge.

MyAuntieHelenIsOneOfThem · 22/10/2026 20:55

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:53

No, it represents the natural order of things.

Well, if you missed the suffragettes and all of the waves of feminism.

LindaJonesJustCantLiveMYLifeNSoul · 22/10/2026 20:56

Tootsurly · 22/10/2026 20:49

I've been watching a documentary about Aberfan, and the way the men from the NCB treated the women from the village is really eye-opening.

It was years ago ,I'm sure I read an article that the NCB were dismissive of prior concerns.
Could you verify please ?

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:56

JemimaTiggywinkles · 22/10/2026 20:47

In the 50s where women had no rights? Could be raped by their husbands and had no means to escape even the most serious domestic violence situations? Where children were systematically raped and beaten in institutions (often schools) and racism was completely normal? You’re off your rocker if you think the 50s were better than today.

When marriage and motherhood were respected and revered, when everyone knew how to behave better and certainly dress better, when local communities thrived because mothers were at home and had their mothers, sisters and aunties down the road, when everyone spent more time outdoors and was offline, when adults grew up and left home earlier, when adults socialised, hosted dinner parties and knew how to dance, when parents actually parented, disciplined their children, taught them manners and certainly didn’t label them with fake diagnoses and drug or mutilate them…utterly fabulous!

ByTipsyShark · 22/10/2026 20:57

I hate this. We have friends and the husband will always make a beeline for the head of the table, no matter whose house he’s in. She will often bring him his food whilst he sits there waiting and the rest of us are getting drinks together, bring food from the kitchen. It’s nauseating but at least I’m not married to him. We now take it in turns to get there before him.

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:58

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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:58

ByTipsyShark · 22/10/2026 20:57

I hate this. We have friends and the husband will always make a beeline for the head of the table, no matter whose house he’s in. She will often bring him his food whilst he sits there waiting and the rest of us are getting drinks together, bring food from the kitchen. It’s nauseating but at least I’m not married to him. We now take it in turns to get there before him.

Some women respect and know how to spoil their husbands, deal with it.

DisforDarkChocolate · 22/10/2026 20:59

His Mam moving a chair in your house to show you what you're doing wrong isn't harmless, she insulted you not the other way around. Good for you.

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2026 21:00

If the table has 2 ends which is the "head" of the table?

noodlezoodle · 22/10/2026 21:02

In our house, whoever cooked sits at the head of the table (when we use the table).

Ohhelpwhatnow · 22/10/2026 21:03

sittingonabeach · 22/10/2026 20:26

Because MiL said she was

But what does it mean, if the family don't have individual place mats or napkin holders or place cards? How would DH know that was his place by the way it was set?

Ohhelpwhatnow · 22/10/2026 21:04

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:58

Some women respect and know how to spoil their husbands, deal with it.

It would be OK if he was a small child...

Bridgertonisbest · 22/10/2026 21:05

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:43

I would much rather live in the 1950s than in this materialistic, selfish, self-centred, self-indulgent, anti-family, technology dominated society, that’s for sure!

Oh ffs, what makes you think things were any different then?

It was materialistic, selfish and self indulgent. What's family orientated about children being seen and not heard, of women being trapped in a loveless, abusive marriage with no access to money apart from what your husband "allows you"? As for technology - like the automatic washing machine? The vacuum cleaner? Or that wonderful modern invention, the dishwasher (wouldn't be without one even if I lived alone).

If women's lives were so much better then why did they campaign to change them? You have the CHOICE to live as you like now, women then didn't, they rarely had access to higher education and were frequently fired when they got married and/or pregnant. They were utterly screwed if their husbands left them and poverty awaited them if their husbands got sick (you know men get sick sometimes?) It was a vile, sexist, misogynistic time when women were utterly "less than". My grandmother was thrilled that I got to live a better life, with access to university and my own bank account and a husband that treats me like an equal and not someone he is in charge of?

You might be, but I'm not "less than" anyone.

PrayForPlagues · 22/10/2026 21:05

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 19:59

A man sat at the head of the table is incredibly attractive: an authoritative leader of his family commanding a sense of safety and trust. It is incredibly charismatic and sexually attractive, as is a man who understands the importance of opening a door and regularly buying his wife flowers and booking her a table for dinner. I adore a man who knows how to lead and command attention.

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Tootsurly · 22/10/2026 21:05

LindaJonesJustCantLiveMYLifeNSoul · 22/10/2026 20:56

It was years ago ,I'm sure I read an article that the NCB were dismissive of prior concerns.
Could you verify please ?

I know it was years ago, but it was the 60th anniversary yesterday.

I'm not sure what you want me to verify? Yes, the NCB dismissed concerns about the spoil tips - that's well known - but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean things like women from the village being addressed using patronising terms like "my dear" and so on by various bigwigs from the coal board, etc.

sittingonabeach · 22/10/2026 21:05

ToKittyornottoKitty · 22/10/2026 20:36

This is not comparable to being racist.

why? Misogyny/patriarchy is bad or should women just put up and shut up?

Bridgertonisbest · 22/10/2026 21:06

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 20:58

Some women respect and know how to spoil their husbands, deal with it.

And some of us are respected and spoiled by their husbands. You deal with it.

Hundslappadrifa · 22/10/2026 21:06

TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 19:34

No, no one sits at the ‘head’ of the table. We sit next to each other or opposite each other.

Well that’s just bloody stupid, sorry!

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 21:06

Ohhelpwhatnow · 22/10/2026 21:04

It would be OK if he was a small child...

No, that wouldn’t be OK, a child needs to know its place and is never seated at the head of the table. Children also need to be taught basic table manners and voice volume, also sadly lacking nowadays.

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 21:06

Bridgertonisbest · 22/10/2026 21:06

And some of us are respected and spoiled by their husbands. You deal with it.

My husband certainly knows how to spoil me, I wouldn’t accept less.

Tootsurly · 22/10/2026 21:08

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 22/10/2026 19:59

A man sat at the head of the table is incredibly attractive: an authoritative leader of his family commanding a sense of safety and trust. It is incredibly charismatic and sexually attractive, as is a man who understands the importance of opening a door and regularly buying his wife flowers and booking her a table for dinner. I adore a man who knows how to lead and command attention.

Bleeurgh. What a load of utter bollocks.

He's not "commanding a sense of safety and trust", he's just allowing himself to be waited on.

Also, he's sitting at the head of the table, not sat.

sittingonabeach · 22/10/2026 21:08

Ohhelpwhatnow · 22/10/2026 21:03

But what does it mean, if the family don't have individual place mats or napkin holders or place cards? How would DH know that was his place by the way it was set?

I assume MIL would tell him that was his place. We used to have individual napkin holders when I lived with my parents so it would be obvious where people were sitting