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Am I being unreasonable about being offended when people think men should sit at the head of the table?

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TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 19:19

I grew up in a family of 4, my mum always sat me next to her, my brother opposite me and my dad opposite her at dinner time.

I grew up and got married, became a blended family of 5. DH started to set his dinner place at the head of the table, I asked why, he couldn’t say.

I told him it made me uncomfortable, that we are not in the 1950’s and that I would prefer he didn’t, so he stopped.

DH mum has now come to visit, she was laying the table and said ‘I’ll put DH at the head of the table’, I replied that we don’t do that here, she said I was being over sensitive and scoffed, and continued to set his place at the head of the table, so I moved it and told her she was welcome to do that in her house, but not here.

Now it’s awkward as fuck, and I can’t work out if I’m being a dick or am right to enforce my own rules in my own home. DH says I should have left it.

Was I being unreasonable, bracing myself for your answers?

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AmnesiacDream · 24/10/2026 18:20

RebeccaRedhat · 24/10/2026 14:30

Definitely overthinking it!

My husband sits there to stop the kids fighting 🤣🤣

Edited

You’re underthinking. Mil isn’t putting him there to do anything useful. She’s putting him there to symbolize his ownership of and control over the household, though I’m sure she wouldn’t say that out loud.

BrianAbsoluteWalloper · 24/10/2026 15:44

Etiennethemad · 24/10/2026 15:13

The head of table stuff is anachronistic, like men getting up at the table when a lady gets up or when she enters a room. Or men opening doors for ladies. Very Downton but not exactly a hanging offense.

Also the old one of a man publicly taking the blame when a woman farts loudly, 'to spare her embarrassment'.

Etiennethemad · 24/10/2026 15:13

The head of table stuff is anachronistic, like men getting up at the table when a lady gets up or when she enters a room. Or men opening doors for ladies. Very Downton but not exactly a hanging offense.

sittingonabeach · 24/10/2026 14:41

RebeccaRedhat · 24/10/2026 14:30

Definitely overthinking it!

My husband sits there to stop the kids fighting 🤣🤣

Edited

And that’s fine. But moving chair and place setting just so he can be head of the table as he is the man and for no other reason is not good

RebeccaRedhat · 24/10/2026 14:30

Definitely overthinking it!

My husband sits there to stop the kids fighting 🤣🤣

BrianAbsoluteWalloper · 24/10/2026 13:00

Is all this driven mainly by handmaidens wanting to find a token way to make women subservient to men, or is it pathetic misogynistic men who expect or feel flattered by it... or both?

I can't imagine anybody older than about 6 or 7 remotely caring about being given a chair/place that's just the same as all of the others but which is nominally dubbed as 'the special one for a special boy/girl'.

RedTulip86 · 24/10/2026 12:53

Same as @accidentalmillionaire my MIL came to visit and I was just about start plating up the dinner when she said” serve the man of the house first”(her son my XH).

I remember replying to her”in this house children are served first then guests and the man of the house can wait his turn”.

She was shocked by my non-compliance but that’s the way she was brought up and she (probably like million others)never questioned it.

sittingonabeach · 24/10/2026 11:47

AppleSally · 24/10/2026 10:30

Perhaps suggest that your MIL sits at the "head" of the table as she is the guest. I have just realised that DH sits at one of the short ends of our long rectangular table when it is just the 2 of us....I sit to his left at one end of one of the longer sides - I have just realised he is at the "head" of the table - really it is of no issue.

It’s not an issue unless it is designated the head of the table, but in this instance MIL made a show of the man being the head of the table by calling it that and moving his seat and place setting. If your DH hasn’t declared that he is head of the table and you have to do everything food (and household chore) related then it isn’t an issue

Daftypants · 24/10/2026 10:55

It’s your MIL who's the issue here , not so much the outdated tradition where men were sat at the head of the table .
You told her why you didn’t seat him there , your table is a rectangle with 3 chairs on each side but she chose to specifically move one chair and set him a place there .
In our house ( I have 3 daughters) we sit wherever is comfortable for us .
Eg I’m small and don’t have much padding on my derrière so I do prefer one particular seat.
DH has long legs so needs to sit wherever the table isn’t going to knock his legs and ankles ( we are considering getting a new dining set for our kitchen dining so need to take this into consideration )
Also I think whoever is getting up and down from their chair the most , for whatever reason ( checking on food cooking, getting extra portions ) needs to eg the one who has the seat that’s easier to move from and access the cooker etc

AppleSally · 24/10/2026 10:30

Perhaps suggest that your MIL sits at the "head" of the table as she is the guest. I have just realised that DH sits at one of the short ends of our long rectangular table when it is just the 2 of us....I sit to his left at one end of one of the longer sides - I have just realised he is at the "head" of the table - really it is of no issue.

Jupitercore · 24/10/2026 02:42

No point being offended, I'd let it go, and just enforce on my girls, that they are valued and just as important, but as for the table thing, I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.

Calmdownfolks · 23/10/2026 22:57

ToKittyornottoKitty · 22/10/2026 19:53

That’s not all you said. You insulted her by saying she can do it in her own house but not at yours, like she was doing something bad.

Omg, that's not insulting MIL, it's just explaining. It was very cheeky and rude of her MIL to overrule her in her own house. I'm presuming that culturally this is an English household where we are supposed to have sexual equality, though I'm aware of many other cultures where woman are considered subservient.

ThatWhiteElephant · 23/10/2026 22:50

TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 19:48

Obligatory diagram, for those who are asking what the head of the table means. Sorry for the crappy drawing.

So she actually moved the place setting / chair as per your diagram, yeah that’s weird, I would have moved it straight back, purely because the symmetry would be all wrong in my head haha!

I couldn’t care less where anyone sat at my table (except for the stupid symmetry thing). When we have lots of family round I tend to be the last one seated because of bringing food in from the kitchen. I am often left a seat at the head of the table just because it’s nearer to the doorway.

Timeforachange26 · 23/10/2026 21:35

MyAuntieHelenIsOneOfThem · 23/10/2026 13:04

God — that’s horrifying!

I broke my leg picking blackberries (don’t ask — highly outing because so specific) and the wag who admitted me for the surgery I needed to repair it with pins wrote ‘Blackberry picking injury’ on my notes, which meant I kept seeing med students trying not to laugh as they presented to whoever was doing rounds.

Apparently I was trying to mangle my cardigan. Unfortunately was wearing it at the time

jillb55 · 23/10/2026 21:05

TablePlan26 · 22/10/2026 19:19

I grew up in a family of 4, my mum always sat me next to her, my brother opposite me and my dad opposite her at dinner time.

I grew up and got married, became a blended family of 5. DH started to set his dinner place at the head of the table, I asked why, he couldn’t say.

I told him it made me uncomfortable, that we are not in the 1950’s and that I would prefer he didn’t, so he stopped.

DH mum has now come to visit, she was laying the table and said ‘I’ll put DH at the head of the table’, I replied that we don’t do that here, she said I was being over sensitive and scoffed, and continued to set his place at the head of the table, so I moved it and told her she was welcome to do that in her house, but not here.

Now it’s awkward as fuck, and I can’t work out if I’m being a dick or am right to enforce my own rules in my own home. DH says I should have left it.

Was I being unreasonable, bracing myself for your answers?

My Mum always used to give the 2 men turkey leg and the women turkey breast. It used to bug me and one year I mentioned it angrily. The following year she spent hours looking for a 3 legged turkey.

Rockpunkdisco · 23/10/2026 20:40

It's one of those traditions I wouldn't overthink as you won't be carrying them on forward. As modern working women we don't need to get into a heated debate, just let it go. My Dad sat at the head of the table and my Mum the other end/still a 'head of the table' simply for more room. Purely space orientated, nothing sexist or offensive.

JayJayj · 23/10/2026 20:27

ToKittyornottoKitty · 22/10/2026 20:01

So you did insult her. Even if you think you are right, it was a fuss about nothing and she ended up feeling offended. In my home we don’t offend guests over minor details, your husband was right.

The mil was rearranging chairs. She should not be doing that.
Also why should it be ok for OP to offended in her own home but not tell someone when they are over stepping?

BlueOrangeRed · 23/10/2026 19:42

likelysuspect · 22/10/2026 19:38

This.

What is the head of the table anyway?

I don’t really understand this either. I get it’s someone sitting at the short side of a rectangular table but what makes it the head rather than the foot?

Also, thinking about it, in our house that’s the worst seat because the short side will often have people moving behind it, bumping into it etc.

FudgeAndSherbertLemons · 23/10/2026 19:39

I was aware that this was a thing. I always thought the cook sat at the head of the table (how it worked when we grew up, at PiL's house and here, although now there's just 2 of us, its a small round table so n/a).

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/10/2026 19:26

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 23/10/2026 17:26

So my husband comes from a family with zero divorce, they are thoroughly decent and incredibly stable people, which I value and respect, as my lot have been a chaotic joke!

It was horrific living through my own Dad commit suicide then years of an extremely tempestuous marriage and divorce between Mum and Stepdad. I hate how romanticised ‘blended families’ are, I hated living with strangers, step siblings who resented us. My husband is providing me and our children with way, way better than I experienced as a child. I feel so calm and at peace finally being part of a stable marriage, so our children will be advised by us to marry wisely and stay married. It’s the best way, and I have every right to say that after my own negative experiences, and wish I had had parents who had got on better, made more effort to get on and stayed married! My children have got it made!

Sorry you lost your dad in such a terrible way. No wonder you like the idea now of being looked after a bit, and of course you have every right to advise your children on marriage or anything else as you see fit. I can totally relate to lots of what you've said, and fwiw I agree with you about divorce - mostly best avoided, in my view, once there are kids.

I think people are taking issue with your earlier posts, about the 1950s being great, 1950s housewives being stunning I think you said? (I think maybe people found the generalisation indicated a bit of rose tinting), and being sexually attracted to a man for his ability to "lead and command attention." But obviously your own husband isn't particularly like that, given he "supports whatever you decide to do," so your private sexual fantasies aren't necessarily having a major impact on your autonomy in your day to day life, which would be the concern I think. I do think you're romanticising a set up that makes women very vulnerable, and that your own set up is far further removed from this than you realise: You're advocating for something you haven't experienced.

I'm truly glad you seem to have found a supportive, stable family to marry in to, and that your husband is able to support you to stay at home, but some of your posts are misleading about the reality of being married to a controlling man who "knows how to lead" - this isn't your reality at all. In my experience, these can be very dangerous men, and the women they marry have very difficult lives, whatever the balance of financial/ domestic contributions.

SeraphionLightbringer · 23/10/2026 18:55

You do what feels right in your own home. At our house, DSS somehow has found himself at the head of the table 😂 But that’s because DH and I like to sit opposite one another when we eat, nothing more than that really 🤷‍♀️

NimbleTaupeTiger · 23/10/2026 18:51

It's very Stepford and a bit creepy tbh

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/10/2026 18:05

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 23/10/2026 17:20

It wouldn’t be ideal, no, because she would miss out on so much joy as a mother. I’m very anti-nurseries for babies/toddlers, so I will advise both children strongly against using those. A Stay-at-Home Dad is preferable in that scenario, Mum is best though. I would happily look after GCs to help my daughter, I am besotted with her. But I would worry she was missing joy and memories that are rightfully hers with her own children. I’d feel sad for her. Ultimately, when my daughter lives with her future husband, she needs to discuss those matters with him primarily and respect his opinions on such matters too, knowing my support is always there for her.

And if the exalted Husband can't be doing with children interfering with his life and wants them in Nursery fulltime from birth, looked after by an Au Pair evenings, nights and weekend from age 4 then shipped off to boarding school from age 7?

FunPartyIdeas · 23/10/2026 17:34

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 23/10/2026 17:28

Plenty of men are ‘good enough’ husbands, but women find fault with everything these days, usually women who have no idea what a shit husband is actually like!

OK. So I married a man who wasn't physically violent as such (mostly). But... emotionally and financially he absolutely was. I was given curfews (if I was out past a specific time doors to the marital home would be locked), I wasn't allowed to see my friends and family (my mum wasn't welcome in the home), I couldn't make any decisions at all without having "permission", and I was put down constantly both in private and in public. Even got to the point where I was tracked without consent. Just the very tip of the iceberg.
What would your adivce be in that scenario?

SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal · 23/10/2026 17:28

FunPartyIdeas · 23/10/2026 17:27

Supposing one of their husband's turns out to be abusive? Still stay married?

Plenty of men are ‘good enough’ husbands, but women find fault with everything these days, usually women who have no idea what a shit husband is actually like!

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