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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 14:50

I'm no expert but if you're in acute psychosis then isn't that your reality at the time , can you then claim a voice told you to murder your children if you were truly psychotic and deluded? Would you truly and accurately remember a voice or command? Plus she was in a life threatening condition herself, medicated and intubated which must all affect your memory.

Hatepickles25 · Yesterday 14:51

It actually seems increasingly likely he did it. There was no real investigation. They charged her while still unconscious and told her she'd killed them when she woke up. The reason she admitted it is because there's no way to enter a plea of insanity without acknowledging guilt. Patrick claimed she told him she did it when in fact her throat was crushed and the paramedics testified there was no way she could have spoken when they took her in. Some of the evidence of her apparent internet searches on how to kill herself have been proved to be done on the home computer when she was proven to be at the doctors office with her children. She was a registered nurse - this was not something she would have needed to look up. Honestly, watch some of the reels about this case- it's extremely concerning.

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:53

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:49

Looking at this case, there was more evidence to show that she resented her children than in LC’s case. Apparently she wrote that she wished she had done things differently and start over as she believed the children had negatively impacted her relationship with her husband. Interesting that she was put in a mental institution and not prison, that’s where I believe LC should stay.

Oh, the bit where LC wrote in her diary how much she hated her three-year-old son Dawson doesn't count?

All I remember about the NZ woman's case (she was British and recently immigrated there from memory) is there were no mass protests, no protests, no supporters wearing pink, no crowdfunded millions for anyone related to her (and no conspiracy theories that her husband must really have done it because she is a mummy and mummies are all good). And she was also full of remorse.

keepswimming38 · Yesterday 14:55

They are not very good at treating mentally ill women in the USA. I saw so many women standing in the street having a bad mental health episode in San Francisco. It’s just another version of that to me. They all let her mental health decline and that was the consequence.

OpenScroller · Yesterday 14:55

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:48

Which medications? To my knowledge, she didn't take the medications that can increase the risk of bipolar in one already inclined.

This seems to give good information on what medications she was supposed to be taking and which she actually took.

Lindsay Clancy Murder Trial: Clancy Toxicology Report vs. Actual Treatment Plan

Wasn't she also speaking to about 10 different doctors - called 'Dr shopping' - wonder if that was to get a diagnosis for something specific?

Lindsay Clancy Murder Trial: Clancy Toxicology Report vs. Actual Treatment Plan

A detailed look at the Lindsay Clancy toxicology report and her prescribed medications, January 24, 2023; An analysis of testimony from forensic toxicologists.

https://justicecaseanalysis.com/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-toxicology-report/

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:55

OpenScroller · Yesterday 14:46

I honestly can't fathom the mentality of a person who would declare a mother who strangled her 3 young children to death, in a planned and deliberate action, as a victim of a 'witch hunt' because people believe she should be held responsible and face justice.

No, her children losing their lives in terror and agony at her hands (as some people proclaim losing her children is punishment enough) is not punishment enough because those children were human beings in their own right who had a right to life without the length of it being dictated by their mother.

Being in a wheelchair through her own actions to try to avoid facing justice is not punishment enough. She's already thinking about wheelchair marathons to use it to her advantage.

Just come across this great article about the focus being on 'poor Lindsay' rather than her victims, setting the scene for copycat murders because women will think they can get away with it.

There has already been one reported in Illinois where a mother 'heavily invested' in the Clancy trial hung her 2 year old in her BASEMENT, inflicted non lethal injuries on herself and her defence is 'psychosis'.

Illinois mom interested in Clancy case accused of murdering son

Lindsay Clancy Copycats? - Samuel Gabriel

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Yes it’s the horror of the dc that should come first. They’re an afterthought bizarrely.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:56

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:53

Oh, the bit where LC wrote in her diary how much she hated her three-year-old son Dawson doesn't count?

All I remember about the NZ woman's case (she was British and recently immigrated there from memory) is there were no mass protests, no protests, no supporters wearing pink, no crowdfunded millions for anyone related to her (and no conspiracy theories that her husband must really have done it because she is a mummy and mummies are all good). And she was also full of remorse.

She didn’t write in her diary that she hated her son. That’s been disproven multiple times.

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mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:57

keepswimming38 · Yesterday 14:55

They are not very good at treating mentally ill women in the USA. I saw so many women standing in the street having a bad mental health episode in San Francisco. It’s just another version of that to me. They all let her mental health decline and that was the consequence.

The 11 plus medical health professionals, specialists in postpartum depression, and at least two psychiatrists she saw - one who she saw regularly over a four month period - and the highly reputable McLean Hospital she stayed at, they all "let her down"? She refused to follow treatment, or take prescribed medications, and lied about her state right up until the day before she murdered her three children in a painful, terrifying, and prolonged manner.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:59

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:57

The 11 plus medical health professionals, specialists in postpartum depression, and at least two psychiatrists she saw - one who she saw regularly over a four month period - and the highly reputable McLean Hospital she stayed at, they all "let her down"? She refused to follow treatment, or take prescribed medications, and lied about her state right up until the day before she murdered her three children in a painful, terrifying, and prolonged manner.

They have acknowledged that they let her down. Have you watched the trial? Because you seem to be parroting a lot of stuff that’s been wrote in the media that’s been disproven during the trial.

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:02

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:59

They have acknowledged that they let her down. Have you watched the trial? Because you seem to be parroting a lot of stuff that’s been wrote in the media that’s been disproven during the trial.

Can the word parroting take a rest by any chance.

CloverAndGrass · Yesterday 15:03

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:28

I think a lot of the case has been purposely distorted by people who want to see LC go down. There’s a lot of nonsense out there, such as she apparently wrote that she ‘hated’ her 3 year old son Dawson, when all she did was seek advice online about his behaviour (which lots on mothers on Mumsnet do). She prefaced it by saying she loved him but she was struggling with some of his behaviour and wanted advice.

I’ve also seen media posts where people have used AI to put a smirk on LC’s face and also paste in clips of her in the court room over courtroom footage to make her appear nonchalant during sensitive parts of the trial. When in reality they’ve had to pause court numerous times due to her mental state and breaking down.

We’ve also seen a female journalist get publically bollocked and painted as a LC supporter for smiling at the camera prior to the trial (even though she said it was just a nervous reaction to having the camera on her).

The media has hammed up the ‘support’ LC got from medical professionals despite those same medical professionals openly admitting that they failed her.

The media has focused in on her asking if she had an attorney after the fall, and excluded the fact that she asked how her family was. Plus the doctor in attendance said LC was heavily sedated and in pain.

Christ there’s even been stuff online about her baby’s brain coming out of his skull due to the pressure. This is categorically untrue.

People are believing it too because they aren’t watching the trial.

We’ve also seen a female journalist get publically bollocked and painted as a LC supporter for smiling at the camera prior to the trial (even though she said it was just a nervous reaction to having the camera on her).

Well, this one you are just plainly misrepresenting. Brittany Romano smiled and winked at the camera. i’m sure she did say it was just a nervous reaction. She would, wouldn’t she. That doesn’t make it true.

OpenScroller · Yesterday 15:03

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:57

The 11 plus medical health professionals, specialists in postpartum depression, and at least two psychiatrists she saw - one who she saw regularly over a four month period - and the highly reputable McLean Hospital she stayed at, they all "let her down"? She refused to follow treatment, or take prescribed medications, and lied about her state right up until the day before she murdered her three children in a painful, terrifying, and prolonged manner.

It was cynical ploy by that disgusting lawyer defending her to try to paint Clancy as someone who was 'failed' by everyone around her as if she is the victim.

Many people are failed by the mental health care system in the US because they don't have the money or advocates to get them the help they need.

Clancy was not in that category - the opposite in fact.

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:05

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 14:59

They have acknowledged that they let her down. Have you watched the trial? Because you seem to be parroting a lot of stuff that’s been wrote in the media that’s been disproven during the trial.

Sorry, didn't realise one had to watch the trial to post on your thread, where it has become abundantly clear your OP is disingenuous to the max.

I trust the media over an expert in Massachusetts' law, like yourself though.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 15:06

CloverAndGrass · Yesterday 15:03

We’ve also seen a female journalist get publically bollocked and painted as a LC supporter for smiling at the camera prior to the trial (even though she said it was just a nervous reaction to having the camera on her).

Well, this one you are just plainly misrepresenting. Brittany Romano smiled and winked at the camera. i’m sure she did say it was just a nervous reaction. She would, wouldn’t she. That doesn’t make it true.

Doesn’t make it not true either. Either way I think her receiving death threats for it is a bit extreme, don’t you?

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 15:08

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:05

Sorry, didn't realise one had to watch the trial to post on your thread, where it has become abundantly clear your OP is disingenuous to the max.

I trust the media over an expert in Massachusetts' law, like yourself though.

That says it all then. You’re saying stuff that isn’t true, like LC said she ‘hated’ her son. Don’t you see how that’s problematic if you’re trying to prove a point? And you trust the media more than a trial involving the people who actually know the case and evaluated LC? What a weird thought process.

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mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:16

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 15:08

That says it all then. You’re saying stuff that isn’t true, like LC said she ‘hated’ her son. Don’t you see how that’s problematic if you’re trying to prove a point? And you trust the media more than a trial involving the people who actually know the case and evaluated LC? What a weird thought process.

No, I trust the media more than you.

She killed him first. That says something. The coroner alluded to the fact that by the markings of the ligatures on his neck he must have resisted and the exercise bands were reapplied. She wrote about him on a FB post describing him as "the most difficult human" she'd ever encountered. There was a lot of evidence that she resented him in particular. Hated, resented - it's semantics, really, over a murdered three-year-old, and a murdered five-year-old, and a murdered eight-month-old baby, by the person who they relied on and trusted.

The fact you can't seem to factor in the horror and terror of their deaths says it all to me, actually.

BruachAbhann · Yesterday 15:17

Aluna · Yesterday 14:43

Well yes, America is a psychopathic country that murders mentally ill people.

Are you arguing you want the same level of inhumanity directed at LC minus the death penalty?

Shouldn’t the argument be that they should all be sent to secure psychiatric hospitals?

The U.K. cases of women killing their kids I mentioned previously were found to have diminished responsibility and sent to secure hospitals, where as I have said, one committed suicide.

I'm highlighting the inconsistency in the law and the fact that people, especially women, are reacting a lot differently to this case than I would have expected. I'm highlighting how previous cases involving men with mental illness didn't have hoards of men standing in solidarity.
Do you think you'd be one of the women in pink holding up signs supporting LC? I wouldn't be. My sympathies lie with the victims, the three innocent children. Sad though it is if she was mentally ill (I'm not convinced she was), she still killed her children. I think if people are saying the system failed her they need to address that issue but she shouldn't be let off with the crime. Yes, if found NGRI I would expect her to be sent to a psychiatric unit but how long would she stay there? If she was only psychotic for the period of the crime, and arguably for some time before and is fine now where does that leave her? Wouldn't she be up for release in a relatively short time?

Maybe that's the crux of the matter- to what level can mental illness be used to mitigate against the severity of the sentence. What do you think should happen in the LC case? Apologies if I've missed it. I've read the whole thread in spurts and starts.

StraightTalkingTina · Yesterday 15:23

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:48

Which medications? To my knowledge, she didn't take the medications that can increase the risk of bipolar in one already inclined.

You’ve been given the list of meds from her toxicology report.

Would you answer my question? What does evidence of psychosis look like for you?

And how can a totally sane cold blooded murderer also be actively suicidal at the same time?

she has no injuries from her bodies auto response to jumping out of a window. She didn’t put her arms out to protect herself. How is someone able to override those natural human instincts?

Waspy43 · Yesterday 15:25

ForCalmScroller · Yesterday 13:07

Typical mumsnet reactions here (not reading 30 pages of hormonal women)
Shes an evil murderer, using PP as an excuse.
Any women who 'sympathise' needs looking at closely by social services!

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Waspy43 · Yesterday 15:26

🙄🙄🙄🙄

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:28

StraightTalkingTina · Yesterday 15:23

You’ve been given the list of meds from her toxicology report.

Would you answer my question? What does evidence of psychosis look like for you?

And how can a totally sane cold blooded murderer also be actively suicidal at the same time?

she has no injuries from her bodies auto response to jumping out of a window. She didn’t put her arms out to protect herself. How is someone able to override those natural human instincts?

You’ve been given the list of meds from her toxicology report.

Have I?

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:29

Would you answer my question? What does evidence of psychosis look like for you?

Well, it wouldn't occur in a convenient short 20-40 minute window and then never appear again, for starters.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 15:36

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 15:16

No, I trust the media more than you.

She killed him first. That says something. The coroner alluded to the fact that by the markings of the ligatures on his neck he must have resisted and the exercise bands were reapplied. She wrote about him on a FB post describing him as "the most difficult human" she'd ever encountered. There was a lot of evidence that she resented him in particular. Hated, resented - it's semantics, really, over a murdered three-year-old, and a murdered five-year-old, and a murdered eight-month-old baby, by the person who they relied on and trusted.

The fact you can't seem to factor in the horror and terror of their deaths says it all to me, actually.

listen you can continue to take things out of context or make things up to try and prove your point but don’t get upset when people who have actually taken the time to watch the trial or do research point out your mistakes.

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Aluna · Yesterday 15:41

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 14:48

Which medications? To my knowledge, she didn't take the medications that can increase the risk of bipolar in one already inclined.

Brief summary of some of her medication and reactions:

Zoloft, sertraline is an SSRI which can trigger manic episodes, was the first. She didn’t sleep for 48 hours on it experienced racing thoughts and increased anxiety. Nonetheless the dose was increased from 25mg to 50mg.

She was then given a cocktail of medications for insomnia and heart palpitations.

She was later given Prozac - another SSRI ie in the same class ie one that can trigger mania in bipolar. Given her poor reaction to Zoloft this was a strange choice.

LC then reported intensifying insomnia which should have been a red flag for drug intolerance or bipolar

She was given more sleep and anti anxiety medication.

She then experienced disassociation perceiving the world around her as “unstable”, “distorted” and “distant”. She reported feeling “disconnected” from her own body, unable to drive unable to be left alone.

This should’ve flagged a reassessment of the whole diagnosis and drug treatment.

At this point, she sees, not a psychiatrist, but another nurse practitioner who gave her Seroquel a bipolar med.

Her condition then took a dramatic turn for the worse – she experienced suicidal ideation, began experiencing what she described as “intrusive thoughts “ the voices said “I will not be the same I want to die”

She described herself to her husband and parents as feeling “emotionless “and “like a zombie”.

She lost 15 lbs, had no appetite and experienced panic attacks and confusion and experience a lack of attention over the days.

She was so scared by this she called the suicide hotline but they failed to hospitalise her as she didn’t have a particular suicide plan.

Rang another hotline but again they didn’t because she didn’t have a plan.

Her husband then followed up with her nurse practitioner. He said LC was now “10,000 times worse since she started this medication“. He asked if they could get LC off the medication and start from scratch.

But instead of stopping the medication, the nurse increased the dose.

PC then contacted the nurse again to say LC had had her worst week yet - he said she had had loud repeated auditory hallucinations all day, couldn’t get out of bed.

She later reported to PC snd her mother that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming the kids. She had delusions that people could hear her thoughts, that she would be locked up and have her children taken away.

She was then hospitalised and the Seroquel was stopped.

But she was then given another AD Amitriptyline and the dose increased the day before the killings.

On the day itself she reported waking up with suicidal thoughts, had suicidal hallucinations all day which later in the day begins to focus on harming the children.

Aluna · Yesterday 15:48

BruachAbhann · Yesterday 15:17

I'm highlighting the inconsistency in the law and the fact that people, especially women, are reacting a lot differently to this case than I would have expected. I'm highlighting how previous cases involving men with mental illness didn't have hoards of men standing in solidarity.
Do you think you'd be one of the women in pink holding up signs supporting LC? I wouldn't be. My sympathies lie with the victims, the three innocent children. Sad though it is if she was mentally ill (I'm not convinced she was), she still killed her children. I think if people are saying the system failed her they need to address that issue but she shouldn't be let off with the crime. Yes, if found NGRI I would expect her to be sent to a psychiatric unit but how long would she stay there? If she was only psychotic for the period of the crime, and arguably for some time before and is fine now where does that leave her? Wouldn't she be up for release in a relatively short time?

Maybe that's the crux of the matter- to what level can mental illness be used to mitigate against the severity of the sentence. What do you think should happen in the LC case? Apologies if I've missed it. I've read the whole thread in spurts and starts.

How did you expect women to react?

I don’t personally indulge misogynist telescopic philanthropy which focuses in the children to the exclusion of LC. She experienced the most appalling suffering. And did basically die of her injuries, it’s just that the hospital managed to revive her.

This case is being heard to determine whether she ends up in prison or psychiatric hospital. And clearly I favour the latter. She has a full life sentence anyway.