Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

I mentioned it earlier but I think there is something very strange going on in relation to this case. Some of the reactions (elsewhere, not on this thread) such as the dressing up in pink, the “same Lindsay” TikToks, and the extraordinary sums of money raised are bizarre. I don’t know what or why it is but it seems very unhealthy.

nb To clarify I am not referring to people calmly and rationally arguing that LC is not criminally responsible for murdering her children.

Yes I think you’ve made a good point. I don’t mind the actually NGRI discussion, but this part feels like a lot.

In very poor taste, imagine if every offenders family claimed expenses for visitation

People can have widely varying degrees of awareness and insight into their condition. And the awareness itself can come and go.

So for example a person could see something they full believe is real at the time, but later realise it may not have been. Or they realise at the time that what they see is not real but still not be able to get rid of the hallucination.

People with OCD and PTSD can experience intrusive thoughts but they can’t either control them or get rid of them. Sometimes compulsive behaviour associated with the thoughts may take over.

I'm not in the least hormonal.

I think many posters get their "news" from morons on TikTok.

I’ll tell you what is super unhealthy is yet another media witch hunt. The behaviours you complain of seem to be a response to it.

Comparable cases in the U.K. by contrast were carried out quietly and without this media hysteria.

Not at all, cases get huge amounts of attention here.

You are convinced it’s a witch hunt, it looks like people are forgetting the victims.

Can you give some examples of this “media witch hunt”?

Up thread I mentioned that Patrick Clancy has started a 501 C3 towards building a specialist unit for, "Perinatal Anxiety and Mood Disorders" in Massachusets.

It's called the Heard Foundation. I'm not completely at ease with that idea either, if you read what I wrote earlier.

I linked to it there but here it is again:

Heard https://share.google/cdx9hKqEfoU9cCC7A

The comparable cases in the U.K. that I know of - mother kills her children during mental health crisis - got nothing like this publicity. The events were reported in the newspaper but there was no media coverage of the trials which were conducted quietly with dignity.

Of course the LL case was a comparable witch hunt, and no-one comes out of that well other than those who said “this is a witch hunt”.

Have a look for yourself on SM: YT, Twitter etc

It’s also people overly empathising and hyper focusing on LC to the exclusion of the victims. There’s also some conspiracy stuff about PC.

They should still be held accountable for their behaviour though.

Here's some examples of other cases where men claimed they had mental health issues resulting in them killing their kids or families. These popped up on a Facebook post for me but I've checked the source and found newspaper articles for them all.

Benjamin Cole, Oklahoma. He killed his 9-month-old daughter. He had a paranoid-schizophrenic diagnosis and was found to have a growing brain lesion. He was guilty and Oklahoma executed him in October 2022.

Reginald Brooks, Ohio. Days after his wife filed for divorce, he killed his three sons: 17, 15, and 11. He then left town. He had paranoid schizophrenia too. The court that sentenced him even said he was mentally ill before, during, and after the killings. Ohio executed him.

Richard Fairchild, Oklahoma. He killed his 3-year-old son. He had schizophrenia-spectrum, psychosis, delusions, and brain damage. He was executed in November 2022.

André Thomas, Texas. In 2004, in the middle of religious delusions, he killed his wife, their 4-year-old son, and 13-month-old daughter. He said God told him to do it. He has a long schizophrenia history, including hearing voices as a child. A jury heard the insanity defense and rejected it. He was sentenced to death.

Larry Robison, Texas. Diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He killed five people, including an 11-year-old boy. He ran an insanity defense. Texas executed him.

While I don't agree with the death penalty for anyone, it's a marked difference in how these men were treated for their crimes and the court case fiasco of LC. I would be shocked if there were legions of men out on the street protesting about their incarceration or saying 'same here'. I'm equally shocked that women are doing it.
Whilst I sympathise with anyone suffering PPP ( but I'm not convinced LC had it), it does not excuse her actions. There has already been some copycat crimes in the US with a least one woman I read about killing her son and claiming he was the antichrist.

There has already been some copycat crimes in the US with a least one woman I read about killing her son and claiming he was the antichrist.

Yes. Corie Walsh, who was obsessed with Lyndsay Clancy, hung her two year old son.

She's been charged with first-degree murder, though, apparently.

This woman, a few years back, in New Zealand murdered her three children while suffering from postpartum depression. She got sentenced to 18 years in a mental health facility nonetheless.

"Lauren Dickason, 41, murdered her two-year-old twin daughters, Maya and Karla, and their six-year-old sister Lianè just weeks after moving to New Zealand from South Africa in 2021 to start a new life with husband Graham.
She was found guilty last August of killing her children by smothering them with pillows at the family’s new home in Timaru, New Zealand in 2021.
After placing them in their beds, Ms Dickason tried to take her own life.
She admitted to killing the girls but pleaded not guilty to murder, citing post-partum depression and mental disturbance as her defence.
However at a five-week trial she was found guilty of murder.
The judge ruled that Ms Dickason will spend 18 years detained in a mental health facility, with no minimum term of imprisonment."

Mother who murdered her three daughters sentenced in New Zealand | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site for latest headlines

Her clinical history. The contents of her diary. The conversations she had with her family. The witness statements confirming she was deteriorating quickly and begging for help. The evidenced lack of appropriate clinical care.

thats enough for reasonable doubt over whether she could have been having a psychotic episode with auditory hallucinations.

In addition to that,
the fact she was then diagnosed with Bi Polar. Knowing the impact of the medications she was given on someone who is BPD and not treated. And having direct experience of someone living in and out of psychotic episodes.

what evidence would you need to be presented that would ‘affirm’ for you that she was suffering psychosis at the time? What does that evidence look like?

And after all that evidence she still had sole custody of those poor children that day

Well yes, America is a psychopathic country that murders mentally ill people.

Are you arguing you want the same level of inhumanity directed at LC minus the death penalty?

Shouldn’t the argument be that they should all be sent to secure psychiatric hospitals?

The U.K. cases of women killing their kids I mentioned previously were found to have diminished responsibility and sent to secure hospitals, where as I have said, one committed suicide.

I honestly can't fathom the mentality of a person who would declare a mother who strangled her 3 young children to death, in a planned and deliberate action, as a victim of a 'witch hunt' because people believe she should be held responsible and face justice.

No, her children losing their lives in terror and agony at her hands (as some people proclaim losing her children is punishment enough) is not punishment enough because those children were human beings in their own right who had a right to life without the length of it being dictated by their mother.

Being in a wheelchair through her own actions to try to avoid facing justice is not punishment enough. She's already thinking about wheelchair marathons to use it to her advantage.

Just come across this great article about the focus being on 'poor Lindsay' rather than her victims, setting the scene for copycat murders because women will think they can get away with it.

There has already been one reported in Illinois where a mother 'heavily invested' in the Clancy trial hung her 2 year old in her BASEMENT, inflicted non lethal injuries on herself and her defence is 'psychosis'.

Illinois mom interested in Clancy case accused of murdering son

Lindsay Clancy Copycats? - Samuel Gabriel

I see, you mean social media, not media (press, tv etc).

Which medications? To my knowledge, she didn't take the medications that can increase the risk of bipolar in one already inclined.