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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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vinhoepimenta · 05/09/2026 10:32

Walkden · 05/09/2026 10:23

"You’re far more confident than a jury of 12 who actually sat through the trial"

Am I? I am sufficiently self aware to recognise that no one knows on what grounds their reasonable doubt came from.

She worked out a timescale , killed her children, self harmed and threw herself out the window well before his return and in the midst of all the killing she took a phone call from her husband and answered it calmly. That is chilling.

Even the defence didn't dispute she killed them; they argued they was reasonable doubt she was fully aware and in control of her mental faculties etc.

You need to actually go and read the court judgement before posting this.
they had reasonable doubt she committed first degree murder.

Helbel1977 · 05/09/2026 10:34

I've been following this case from the beginning, In my opinion LC was a very mentally unwell woman that did try to get help, she has since been diagnosed with bipolar 2.

My thoughts are the she was suicidal and didn't want to be on this earth anymore, she however had the belief that her children would have been better off dead than living in this world without her.

Aluna · 05/09/2026 10:35

mulberrymilk · 05/09/2026 10:16

Multiple psychiatrists, doctors, and psychiatric nurse practitioners, plus her mother and extended family, all tried to help her.

And failed, Failed to diagnose correctly, failed to medicate appropriately, failed to treat appropriately.

mulberrymilk · 05/09/2026 10:40

Helbel1977 · 05/09/2026 10:34

I've been following this case from the beginning, In my opinion LC was a very mentally unwell woman that did try to get help, she has since been diagnosed with bipolar 2.

My thoughts are the she was suicidal and didn't want to be on this earth anymore, she however had the belief that her children would have been better off dead than living in this world without her.

Yet while intubated, she used a white board to ask the doctor

"Do I have an attorney?", "Is my body broken?", and "Are my legs straight?"

KellyK2026 · 05/09/2026 10:41

EarringsandLipstick · 04/09/2026 21:15

So irritating when posters type this. Someone is allowed to say that they dislike the premise of a thread without being told ‘off you pop, then’ or equivalent.

There is a point to be made, which I agree with, that such threads are reductionist & treating a horrific, tragic event as entertainment. ‘Pure evil’ 🙄

It’s ok for posters to say this if that’s what they think.

Hardly, I wouldn’t participate in something that I say I actively hate. If the poster has a problem with the type of thread this is, then take it up with Mumsnet.

I can’t see your other comment as it looks like it was deleted by MNHQ.

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TheFormidableMrsC · 05/09/2026 10:41

bigboykitty · 04/09/2026 17:09

Ask Patrick...

Indeed.

Disappointed100 · 05/09/2026 10:44

UncleColm · 05/09/2026 10:09

I'm late to this case and just catching up.

Is there proof (in the form of CCTV, witness statements, etc) that Patrick Clancy did leave the house for the length of time stated?

I have an open mind as I don't know enough about the case.

yes, there is CCTV of him at the pharmacy and the takeaway.

BUT there is doubt on exactly when the kids died. Two of them could have already been killed when he left.

She was a nurse and would know how to cut her wrists - but she did it in the wrong direction.
She had a crushed thyroid, consistent with strangulation.

Her apple watch shows that she was running up and down stairs as soon as he left the house. my opinion is that it's plausible that 2 were already dead and she was running up and down to the basement in a panic etc.

Disappointed100 · 05/09/2026 10:45

so, the grandparents and PC were so concerned that they barely left her side.

But then he was happy to leave her alone with the kids for almost an hour, to get a takeaway??

Extrachoc · 05/09/2026 10:47

I initially thought she must be guilty, but after reading further, there are just too many inconsistencies…

Conundrummum123 · 05/09/2026 10:48

Walkden · 05/09/2026 00:14

"when women go against this, we as a society cannot fathom it. This juxtaposition is why I think so many people are clinging to the fact that the husband did it and framed her"

I think society can fathom it. It's not like she is the first woman to do it, and she's not even the first woman on trial for murdering their child year in the us.

People quote 95% of murders or family annihilation (does this apply here since the husband survive.)

Well that means the other 5% are women. But certain people say violence is always men and women are non violent ( which most people know is not true - they are just less violent)

So they say the 5% of women have been pushed to it somehow, and usually blame it on a man or institutional misogyny caused by men -as if mentally ill men always get appropriate treatment or help before they commit such heinous acts.

That's an extreme view and a form of misandry It's wrong to apply those statistics here where Patrick's movements are accounted for and most reasonable commentars (men and women) accept she did it; and are only arguing about whether she knew what she was doing was wrong at the time.

Stating that men are responsible for the vast and overwhelming majority of violent crime is misandry? What a joke.

you’re also missing the point of my post. The fact that women CAN be violent and commit heinous crimes, albeit at a far lower frequency than men, is the point and because it runs so contrary of social constructions of femininity and motherhood, I think it’s why you see a lot of people racking their brains and clutching at straws that is wasn’t her, because ‘loving mothers don’t do this’ and she was by all testimony a ‘loving mother’ because the alternative is too difficult to reconcile.

i also fear trying to prove she didn’t do it misses the point, as a society we desperately need a conversation about the discrepancy in healthcare between men and women and the woeful lack of understanding and support in terms of maternal mental health as exemplified by this case and the plethora of women who have come forward and said they’ve encountered similar

Disappointed100 · 05/09/2026 10:48

"Lindsay's last recorded heart rate was 57 beats per minute—which is considered low—while app data showed that she climbed two flights of stairs at 5:03 and 5:33 p.m. However, Lindsay's attorney Kevin Reddington challenged the reliability of the data during cross-examination, noting that Lindsay's watch stopped recording at 5:23 p.m. and her phone stopped recording at 5:38 p.m."

Monty36 · 05/09/2026 10:54

Error404FucksNotFound · 04/09/2026 17:10

I would argue that what we call evil is itself a mental health issue/personality disorder

A dreadful conclusion that belongs in centuries long gone.
Having a mental health condition does not make a person evil.
And people who can be called evil may be entirely rational and not impacted by a mental health condition at all.
Saying that anyone evil has a mental health condition ‘gets them off the hook’.
Some of the worst leaders in history did/do not have a mental health condition. But were/are certainly evil. And knew/know full well what they were/are doing.

Some poor soul who is ill because their brain works ( or doesn’t sometimes) in a way we do not yet fully understand is not automatically evil.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:54

Walkden · 05/09/2026 10:23

"You’re far more confident than a jury of 12 who actually sat through the trial"

Am I? I am sufficiently self aware to recognise that no one knows on what grounds their reasonable doubt came from.

She worked out a timescale , killed her children, self harmed and threw herself out the window well before his return and in the midst of all the killing she took a phone call from her husband and answered it calmly. That is chilling.

Even the defence didn't dispute she killed them; they argued they was reasonable doubt she was fully aware and in control of her mental faculties etc.

Your last line is key. The jury’s verdict was towards NGRI not that she didn’t do it at all.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 10:55

vinhoepimenta · 05/09/2026 10:32

You need to actually go and read the court judgement before posting this.
they had reasonable doubt she committed first degree murder.

Yes but that she still did it. But with NGRI verdict.

Makkka · 05/09/2026 10:56

marvelousmarmaladian · 05/09/2026 08:36

I guess I'm saying she made sure that her kids would die, but left herself as having a posssibilty of surviving. Strange.

Agree. Jumping out of a bedroom window is going to hurt or cause damage but it’s absolutely not certain to kill you. If someone wants to kill themself then it’s a risk assuming this will be successful as it likely wont and wasn’t. There is a bridge near me and people go there as there is no way of surviving due to height.

Disappointed100 · 05/09/2026 10:56

PC admitted that one google search re "suicide" was made by him

endofthelinefinally · 05/09/2026 10:57

I haven't followed this closely, so I can't have an opinion on whether she was severely mentally unwell or not.
However, in my experience of caring for a couple of women with severe post partum psychosis (which is NOT the same as post partum depression), if she was diagnosed with PPP, I cannot understand why she was not hospitalised in a high dependency psychiatric unit with 1 to 1 care until stabilised on effective treatment.

Walkden · 05/09/2026 10:57

"they had reasonable doubt she committed first degree murder."

Obviously, since that is what she was charged with. But we still don't, or are permitted to, know the following

Did they have reasonable doubts that she even killed them?

Or did they have reasonable doubts she knew what she was doing due to state of mind etc?

And in both cases what evidence / testimony etc led to this reasonable doubt.

Most people accept she killed her children and while she remains technically innocent for the time being if the prosecution offer a plea deal of not guilty by reason of insanity, I suspect he defence would accept it

Time will tell.

Monty36 · 05/09/2026 10:58

endofthelinefinally · 05/09/2026 10:57

I haven't followed this closely, so I can't have an opinion on whether she was severely mentally unwell or not.
However, in my experience of caring for a couple of women with severe post partum psychosis (which is NOT the same as post partum depression), if she was diagnosed with PPP, I cannot understand why she was not hospitalised in a high dependency psychiatric unit with 1 to 1 care until stabilised on effective treatment.

America. The sheer cost of it. Insurance. They may not have had the finances or the insurance to cover the cost.

Conundrummum123 · 05/09/2026 10:59

endofthelinefinally · 05/09/2026 10:57

I haven't followed this closely, so I can't have an opinion on whether she was severely mentally unwell or not.
However, in my experience of caring for a couple of women with severe post partum psychosis (which is NOT the same as post partum depression), if she was diagnosed with PPP, I cannot understand why she was not hospitalised in a high dependency psychiatric unit with 1 to 1 care until stabilised on effective treatment.

i don’t think she was diagnosed with PPP despite repeatedly seeking help for symptoms that pointed in that direction

mulberrymilk · 05/09/2026 11:00

Disappointed100 · 05/09/2026 10:45

so, the grandparents and PC were so concerned that they barely left her side.

But then he was happy to leave her alone with the kids for almost an hour, to get a takeaway??

A takeaway she ordered and asked him to pick up.

And shortly beforehand, she was making a snowman and playing with the children.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 11:01

mulberrymilk · 05/09/2026 11:00

A takeaway she ordered and asked him to pick up.

And shortly beforehand, she was making a snowman and playing with the children.

This is a fair point @Disappointed100

mulberrymilk · 05/09/2026 11:02

Monty36 · 05/09/2026 10:58

America. The sheer cost of it. Insurance. They may not have had the finances or the insurance to cover the cost.

They were a wealthy family, able to afford inpatient treatment for her at McLean Hospital, plus all the other doctors, psychiatrists, and therapists she saw.

BingoJingo · 05/09/2026 11:03

CloverAndGrass · 04/09/2026 17:05

If it was mental illness, it was a strangely carefully planned case of loss of control, with the unusual ability to talk calmly to her husband in the middle of the murders and know she shouldn’t tell him what she was doing. I find it very hard to understand how people can read the details and still believe she didn’t chose to murder her poor children.

I absolutely believe this to be the case too. She was not diagnosed with post part psychosis, she heard the supposed voice this one time only in the exact time frame her husband was running errands that she orchestrated. It is all very convenient. She was using exercise bands again to exercise whilst in hospital. She is cold, calculated and she didn't enjoy her children.

Gengha · 05/09/2026 11:03

It can actually be both. It’s not as simple as mad/bad, it’s very nuanced and even severe mental
illness doesn’t always negate criminal responsibility. See Valdo Calocane. Schizophrenic but still criminally liable for manslaughter.

Although I haven’t followed this case that closely as I’m not interested.