Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

So you agree… you think Patrick’s getting loads of leeway a woman wouldn’t get then?
that’s great we’ll leave it here 😊

I wasn’t aware of all of this….does she still have no recollection?

I am suspicious of the family because, as ive said, it sounds like they all acknowledged she was unwell but carried on leaving her to care for three young children alone.

I was also really surprised to read that Patrick had remarried. I just don’t understand how that could even be on his radar with all his children gone and a court case hanging over everyone. They also met only a year after the killings took place.

no I’m not saying everyone in those scenarios - I’m saying some people.

People can absolutely act outwardly normal when planning to do what would be considered awful things. That is not the same as saying that planning and acting normal are signs someone is unwell - what a ridiculous thing to say.

Post partum psychosis is real. LC (and her poor children) has been massively let down by health services and more needs to be done to raise awareness of it to prevent further tragedies from happening.

If a man had done this he would be labeled a "family annihilator". No-one would be excusing him for reasons of mental health. Nobody would be saying - even if he was shown to have PTSD, major depression, anxiety, etc - that their "heart bleeds for him".

My heart bleeds for those three little children, conscious and aware of their mother murdering them and their siblings. They must have been terrified.

What is clear is that the people vehemently defending LC don’t do themselves any favours by calling anyone who doesn’t see the case the same way as them ‘ignorant of mental illness’, ‘witch hunters’ etc.

Is it so hard to believe that women, who have an understanding of PPD, and have taken in the full facts of the case, take the view that she is guilty of first degree murder?

You don’t have a special insight or understanding of the case, sorry.

The vitriol, conspiracy theories and emotions tied to this case really aren’t doing LC or the victims of the crime any favours.

Absolutely no time for the PC did it lot. Vile.

"I was also really surprised to read that Patrick had remarried. I just don’t understand how that could even be on his radar with all his children gone and a court case hanging over everyone. They also met only a year after the killings took place"

Perhaps surveying the desolate wreckage of his life and loss of his entire family at the hands of the person he had chosen to share his life with he decided to get busy living than get busy dying so to speak and try to build a new life for himself

Very few people alive can relate to what he's gone through but show a complete lack of empathy and feel entitled to judge and attack him despite his trauma.

Firstly she would have had a very short time period to kill all 3 children, take them all individually down to basement, come up again, find a knife, cut her wrists, cut her throat (which was done in the way of a left handed person btw which her husband is, Lindsay is right handed) put the knife neatly down on the table, then whilst heavily bleeding from those wounds

They were superficial wounds. The throat slashes were minimal, and required no treatment. Even the wrist lacerations were "superficial" according to the ER doc who treated her.

I think people spend too much time looking at the why rather than the what. She murdered her innocent, beautiful children. I don’t care why, she should be locked up for the rest of her life or given the death penalty imo.

Firstly she would have had a very short time period to kill all 3 children, take them all individually down to basement, come up again, find a knife, cut her wrists, cut her throat (which was done in the way of a left handed person btw which her husband is, Lindsay is right handed) put the knife neatly down on the table, then whilst heavily bleeding from those wounds

They were superficial wounds. The throat slashes were minimal, and required no treatment. Even the wrist lacerations were "superficial" according to the ER doc who treated her.

To that point, if it had been a man who had strangled his three young kids to death and then claimed he was suffering mental illness for that period I cannot imagine he would have hoards of other men showing solidarity as we see with LC's supporters. The narrative would be completely different. The man would still be criminally liable for his actions and sent straight to jail.

The fact is she killed 3 kids in cold blood. She planned it, timed how long it would take for her husband to travel, showed she knew she had committed a crime when she tried to kill herself. I find some women's reactions to this case very troubling and worry about the precedent it sets if it's somehow seen as understandable that a woman might kill her children under some circumstances.

Nonetheless, the whole of this activity happened within a 40 minute window. All of it.

I actually agree with you on all of those points. There is a distinction between them.m and Im not saying LC wasn’t very unwell.

But, in this situation I think the victims should be prioritised. I think even with the mitigating circumstances of mental health, the law should protect and be punitive when it comes to murder and taking the lives of 3 children who won’t get to exist. And it was horrifying. She could have done it in their sleep or kept them together but she wasn’t thinking of them at all and the suffering and fear she caused them. It was definitely madness but it was extremely cruel.

I actually question why she would want to be absolved of this crime to be honest.

There was an option for the jury to find her not guilty, aquitting her completely.

For those who haven’t watched the trial there are many many inconsistencies to Patrick’s story.

Firstly she would have had a very short time period to kill all 3 children, take them all individually down to basement, come up again, find a knife, cut her wrists, cut her throat (which was done in the way of a left handed person btw which her husband is, Lindsay is right handed) put the knife neatly down on the table, then whilst heavily bleeding from those wounds move a very heavy bed and nightstand and jump headfirst out the window, then once on the ground hose herself down (she was soaking wet all over her body more than could be accounted for from the snow) then her body temperature dropped to 27degrees (it’s been shown that this 10 degree drop in temperature usually takes hours even with the spinal injuries) Her thyroid was crushed and her injuries so severe she couldn’t speak. This all happened in about 25 minutes or less.

Then when Patrick came home she ‘told him’ the kids were in the basement and she had tried to kill herself. This was impossible as she couldn’t speak as demonstrated by the 999 call and all testimony from medical professionals. He waited 10 minutes to go and look for the kids.

When Lindsay woke up she was told by everyone that she had killed the kids.

Googke searches on ways to commit suicide and where is the carotid artery were done when Lindsay was at a GP appointment with one of the kids.

There were high levels of quetiapine in her system which she had stopped a month before and Patrick was keeping in her truck, the cocktail of other medication would have highly likely rendered her extremely sleepy. Her Apple Watch recorded her heart rate tailing from 117 to 57 throughout the day and 57 just before the children were killed.

The baby was able to be resuscitated, this means if she strangled him before jumping out the window he would have been in the basement for at least 30-40 minutes. Unusual to get a heart beat back after this time (he didn’t have one initially)

There are lots more than this too, all the ‘evidence’ came from what Patrick told everyone. There was no investigation.

She was profoundly failed by a lot of people, it’s very sad. Did she actually do it? I don’t know but there should have been far more investigation rather than just taking the word of the only person who wasn’t injured….

"Nonetheless, the whole of this activity happened within a 40 minute window. All of it."

Because , whether you agree she was in psychosis or not, she meticulously planned it...

I'm late to this case and just catching up.

Is there proof (in the form of CCTV, witness statements, etc) that Patrick Clancy did leave the house for the length of time stated?

I have an open mind as I don't know enough about the case.

I'm late to this case and just catching up.

Is there proof (in the form of CCTV, witness statements, etc) that Patrick Clancy did leave the house for the length of time stated?

I have an open mind as I don't know enough about the case.

What is clear is that the people vehemently defending LC don’t do themselves any favours by calling anyone who doesn’t see the case the same way as them ‘ignorant of mental illness’, ‘witch hunters’ etc.

Is it so hard to believe that women, who have an understanding of PPD, and have taken in the full facts of the case, take the view that she is guilty of first degree murder?

You don’t have a special insight or understanding of the case, sorry.

The vitriol, conspiracy theories and emotions tied to this case really aren’t doing LC or the victims of the crime any favours.

Absolutely no time for the PC did it lot. Vile.

She was clearly mentally unwell and it's terrifying that women are not always taken seriously and given the help they need.