Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

I'm sure you can provide evidence of your claim that Patrick Clancy had family members in the police.

I think Kevin Reddington did an excellent job of showing how poor the investigation into what happened was.

The only person who says that Lindsay said she had killed her children was the husband. The EMTs at the scene say sne couldn’t talk, medical professionals testified that the sort of injury she had would have made it impossible to talk.

If she was trying to overdose on pills why would she have crushed them up - surely you’d just take them normally?

None of her prints or DNA on the bands used to strangle the children?

Does anyone remember the case of the woman who killed all 5 of her children - also in the middle of psychosis. From what I remember, they were a very religious family, but different from this, the husband did not do anything to help or support her and just kept telling her she could cope? Andrea something?

https://plymptonhalifaxexpress.com/matt-clancy-to-return-as-interim-police-chief/

It depends on whether the person is showing signs they’ll be violent, did she?

I suffered a severe mental health crises after the birth of my first child. I ended up taking myself to hospital and literally begging for help. I felt like I wasn’t in control of my own thoughts. I honestly felt like I was going completely crazy it was terrifying. I was assessed by an emergency mental health team, I couldn’t even put my own shoes on. I couldn’t dress/ shower or brush my hair. I wasn’t eating. I was in a constant state of fight or flight. And the emergency team first deemed me not to meet the threshold for being mentally unwell enough. I then ended up back at hospital again, begging for help and eventually I was put on psychiatric drugs and a nurse came to visit me daily at home. Looking back I should have been sectioned and I should not have been left alone with my baby.

Before I went through that experience I too would have had a very different perspective on post partum mental health. Thankfully the next time I had a baby I was absolutely fine.

This case is just absolutely tragic for everyone involved.

Let’s say it was Patrica Clancy. Not showing up to her kids murder trial. On holiday, new partner, pregnant. Put 3 kids in 1 urn and made over 1mil. You seriously telling me she’d be getting the same treatment as Patrick?
he knew the drugs she was on. I would never. But then I’m a woman, so I know the double standards

I don’t buy the mental illness cover story. She killed her kids.

I’ve had female family members who have had psychosis, one in particular is a revolving door patient. She’s had ECG, lithium, all the heavy duty meds, all the counselling and she is still incredibly unwell a lot of the time. Diagnosed a schizophrenic, another family member bipolar.

During one of her episodes, she was convinced she was a cat. Another time she was very distressed as she believed she had no head and was walking around headless. I could go on and on about her delusions, voices, hallucinations etc. She’s never killed anyone though. The large majority of mentally unwell peoples don’t murder people brutally.

Shes mad AND bad. Evil.

There is a really clear divide between people where MH is an issue and where it is not, and how they respond after seems key. The case I mentioned above was Andrea Yates in 2001 - another terrible case of children being killed and there was Dena Schlosser too, a few years later, both readily admitted what they had done, and were found not guilty by reason of insanity. Yates is still in hospital and apparently turns down the review she has to be offered every year which would give her the chance to leave the hospital.

As opposed to Susan Smith who I also remember (I was in the States at the time of her trial) who lied to cover up the crime and claimed it was a car jacking gone wrong, and wanted to kids gone because she wanted to start a new relationship with someone who did not want her children.

What you posted earlier depends on whether the person told the other parent that they will be violent towards the dc. Did that happen?

And his connection with Patrick Clancy is what, exactly? Other than happening to share the same moderately common surname?

So are you because I didn’t write those things…

You’re clearly a man with nothing better to do. Aren’t there any red pill forums you can post on?!

Out of all the extreme responses this case has raised why do you select the women who are publicising their own experiences of PP illness rather than the witch-hunters baying for LC’s blood? Are the former not a response to the latter?

Personally I don’t in any way equate women talking about their own experiences of pp illness with women making TikToks saying “Same, Lindsay” and tbh I think its odd that you conflate the two. Why anyone thinks it’s a good idea to put a video on the internet, holding their child, saying they empathise with a triple child murderer, I just don’t know. That is what I was talking about.

And why I didn’t mention the witch-hunters baying for LC’s blood? Because that is a fairly standard response from some sections of the population when children are murdered. It is not an unusual response. The point I was making is to highlight the responses to this case that have been different, and more extreme than to most murders and say that I think we should all be wondering why?

I will wait for someone with the facts to answer this, because I’m genuinely not sure. However, women all the time get done for not leaving partners when there is dv and endangering kids so this isn’t a stretch

Piss-poor attempt at a deflection. You said "No one is trying to say the man did it". I showed, with examples, of people on this very thread who were saying that the man did it. I think your tinfoil hat must be on a bit tight as you're losing the ability to follow a conversation.

It’s not deflection, you just need English lessons because it looked like you were saying I said it.
i don’t want to engage with you. You’re an aggressive mra and this is Mumsnet, not an Andrew Tate board

You do need to know the facts before posting as below, otherwise it’s just spreading incorrect information.

I don’t need facts to speculate, I’m telling you now if Patricia Clancy behaved like Patrick the public would be baying for blood.
i think he should be done for negligent homicide regardless of whether she expressed harm to the kids. She could have dropped 8 month year old the drugs she was on and then what? It’s not acceptable

I've been wondering about this and what difference it would have made if he had been able to do that?
Also, I think after this was denied he then said Lindsay was willing to admit to her part in the underlying conduct that caused the death of the children.
Which to me doesn't sound like an admission of guilt more that her behaviour was a contributory factor? I may be completely wrong.

That’s not the law. I’m not sure why you’re posting incorrect stuff.