Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

Thank you lovely!

and I think what makes it more sad, is that I’m not that special you know, many many other women have stories similar to mine, the founder of pregnant then screwed posted something similar.

i even forgot in my post that I’d said to the HV I think I should give up my parental rights and we should consider adoption, I’d forgotten that detail but that’s how concerned I was that I wasn’t safe.

i had gaps in my memory, where I’d remember being in one room and then next thing I’d be in another without the baby and I had no recollection how I got there. That led to hugely instrusive thoughts that I’d shaken the baby and just wouldn’t know.

i had dreams where I was dangerous, that when I would wake up i genuinely didn’t know if they were real or not.

i remember the peri natal team recommending mum and baby groups and saying but im sleeping an hour a day, I don’t think I can be behind a wheel of a car safely, In fact I don’t feel safe at all. They sent me a dvd on baby massage to do at home.

You clearly don’t understand mental illness then.

many people who commit suicide are outwardly happy the days before because they know their anguish will soon end. Lots of suicides take a lot of planning but it doesn’t mean the person was of sound mind.

Planning and “acting normal” are not signs that the person was ok - quite the opposite.

Lack of forensic evidence on the murder weapons
inconsistency in the ‘confession’
a contaminated confession
his own mother supporting Lindsay in court
rhe jury deliberating longer than the police investigated
the behaviour of the husbnad
most of the evidence is ‘Patrick said’ and a woman should not be convicted on the hearsay of her husband. Sets a v bad precedent

Why are people acting like she did it when there was no real police investigation and the jury couldn’t convict (11-1) because of reasonable doubt?!
and also where is the outrage at the police for doing such a shoddy investigation (three children now won’t get proper justice) and the father for at best leaving them with her knowing how much meds she was on and how mentally ill she was and then swanning around with his new pregnant gf?

You don’t for one second think this would be a better defence than she did it but she’s not criminally responsible? You tell me why her lawyer has not chosen this defence for her? From the very start why did he not see all that you’ve figured out?

Are you far more clever than he is? Or do you think he’s seen the amount of evidence against her and chose a whole different route to go down? Just because you have not seen the evidence does not mean it’s not there.

Woman kills her children. Let's find a man to blame.

I’m sorry you were so unsupported. A friend of mine experienced post partum psychosis, but hers was picked up immediately and she was sent to psychiatric hospital where she remained for some time.

Posts like this are indicative that something very strange is going on in relation to these murders. I have heard it described as Karmelo Anthony for white women and I can see why. For anyone who hasn’t heard of KA, he is a young black man in the US who murdered a white young man and, despite it being a pretty open and shut conviction, received huge support from many, mainly black, people, with huge sums raised and so on).

I am not comparing people wildly claiming that LC did not kill her children and/or that her exh did to those saying she should not be found guilty of first degree murder. Obviously these approaches are worlds apart. But I do think everyone should consider the extreme responses this case has raised - women dressing up in pink to stand outside the courthouse, the huge sums raised, the TikTok videos of women holding their babIes saying “Same, Lindsay”, the grinning and winking woman journalist etc etc - and should ask what on earth is going on to cause this.

You clearly don’t understand mental illness then.

many people who commit suicide are outwardly happy the days before because they know their anguish will soon end. Lots of suicides take a lot of planning but it doesn’t mean the person was of sound mind.

Planning and “acting normal” are not signs that the person was ok - quite the opposite.

If a woman had left a mentally ill man with her babies she’d be done for negligent homocide. Equal rights equal responsibility. He had a duty of care to those children too

Posts like this are indicative that something very strange is going on in relation to these murders. I have heard it described as Karmelo Anthony for white women and I can see why. For anyone who hasn’t heard of KA, he is a young black man in the US who murdered a white young man and, despite it being a pretty open and shut conviction, received huge support from many, mainly black, people, with huge sums raised and so on).

I am not comparing people wildly claiming that LC did not kill her children and/or that her exh did to those saying she should not be found guilty of first degree murder. Obviously these approaches are worlds apart. But I do think everyone should consider the extreme responses this case has raised - women dressing up in pink to stand outside the courthouse, the huge sums raised, the TikTok videos of women holding their babIes saying “Same, Lindsay”, the grinning and winking woman journalist etc etc - and should ask what on earth is going on to cause this.

The jury did and they wouldn’t convict her. Says it all. They’ve seen more than you and me.

idk why her lawyer did that. You’d have to ask him.
the judge even told the jury to acquit her if they had reasonable doubt and one held out. It’s a farce

You don’t for one second think this would be a better defence than she did it but she’s not criminally responsible? You tell me why her lawyer has not chosen this defence for her? From the very start why did he not see all that you’ve figured out?

Are you far more clever than he is? Or do you think he’s seen the amount of evidence against her and chose a whole different route to go down? Just because you have not seen the evidence does not mean it’s not there.

Woman kills her children. Let's find a man to blame.

He actually did apply to have the questions separated in the trial - so they could address the question of whether she actually did it FIRST and then, if found to have committed the acts beyond reasonable doubt, the question around insanity would be raised. His motion was denied and they were covered within the same trial, so he had to walk the line of both highlighting reasonable doubt she committed the acts (which it looks like he had a 91% success rate with) AND the insanity defence. So yes, it was possibly a better defence and one he wanted to run separately based on HIS application to separate the issues.

You don’t for one second think this would be a better defence than she did it but she’s not criminally responsible? You tell me why her lawyer has not chosen this defence for her? From the very start why did he not see all that you’ve figured out?

Are you far more clever than he is? Or do you think he’s seen the amount of evidence against her and chose a whole different route to go down? Just because you have not seen the evidence does not mean it’s not there.

You don’t for one second think this would be a better defence than she did it but she’s not criminally responsible? You tell me why her lawyer has not chosen this defence for her? From the very start why did he not see all that you’ve figured out?

Are you far more clever than he is? Or do you think he’s seen the amount of evidence against her and chose a whole different route to go down? Just because you have not seen the evidence does not mean it’s not there.

The defense lawyer asked to split the trial back in March - so that the first trial would be whether she was guilty at all.

And then if found guilty the second trial would determine criminal responsibility based on her mental state.

That he tried to do it that way indicates that he thought the prosecution’s case was very weak in terms of evidence.

The judge refused to split it like that.

Dont know the case at all

please link if tslking about a specific case

The very fact you murder your children means that you are mentally unwell

those of us who are mentally well get pushed to the limit but we go no where near murder or even harming

i don’t remember the full facts - but The judge also bought the Clancy house at a ridiculously discounted price too if I remember correctly but please fact check this.
Patrick also had family in the police

No the judge did not buy the house.

A DA unrelated to the case bought it.

The defense lawyer asked to split the trial back in March - so that the first trial would be whether she was guilty at all.

And then if found guilty the second trial would determine criminal responsibility based on her mental state.

That he tried to do it that way indicates that he thought the prosecution’s case was very weak in terms of evidence.

The judge refused to split it like that.

Women so rarely kill and especially their children that is almost unfathomable to us that a women, let along a mother could. It’s part of the myth or the precarious pedestal of motherhood

I fear the endless hunting to prove the man did it, might make us feel better but it misses the point and it might mean that we a society desperately miss the lesson on maternal expectations and mental health that this case must teach us.

I absolutely agree. The rabid witch hunt by obsessive tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist lunatics trying to make it all the husband's fault is detracting from the very real issues surrounding postnatal mental health. The care she got from some of the professionals she sought help from was questionable at best and downright scandalous at worst.