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Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)

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Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 09:42

Follow on from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5585462-greens-adopt-policy-treating-zionism-as-racism?page=40&reply=155235707

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PurpleThistle7 · Yesterday 15:38

So is the idea that Hamas is actually the government of Palestine? And therefore subject to the same scrutiny of Netanyahu is for Israel? Cause the endless reminders that Hamas == Palestine while also being the elected representatives of Palestine while also being a terrorist group is super confusing.

I really hate the Green Party. Totally preoccupied on making friends with terrorists while potholes multiply and school violence (here! Right here! In this country!) is out of control and no one’s bins are ever picked up on the right date. All very difficult to figure out what they think their job is.

Wabbajack · Yesterday 15:48

I love the idea that the Scottish Greens somehow get a say on Israel's Law of Return. It's like the Likud party having an official policy on the Scottish tax system or something.

I say this as someone who has voted Scottish Green before, back when they were less openly insane. I know that down south Labour councils are threatening to end power sharing arrangements with the Greens, I wonder if the same thing will happen in Scotland.

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 18:51

"By adopting an antisemitic platform, the Green Party of England and Wales has become a racist party. We will treat it accordingly.

"No political party has the right to tell Jews that a central part of our identity, rooted in thousands of years of history, faith and peoplehood, is racist.

"The Green Party's policy brands much of our community, including our synagogues and communal organisations, with that slur. It gives prejudice against Jews a political licence.

"The Green Party's leadership must now take responsibility for reversing this policy and confronting the antisemitism it has legitimised."

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 19:15

The motion passed by the Board of Deputies, external urged other parties not to do deals with the Greens unless they rejected the policy.

Forming coalition deals with Greens at local or national level would be "failing to take antisemitism with the requisite seriousness", it said, unless the party's local leadership have rejected the policy and committed to overturn it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckx2qyd17eqvo

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 19:18

Honestly, how embarrassing for Green party members/voters.

Board of Deputies president Phil Rosenberg said a vote passed by 118 votes to one to declare that the Greens had, "by adopting an antisemitic platform, become a racist party".

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 19:40

I've started a new thread in AIBU on has the Green party become a racist organisation.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5593000-aibu-the-green-party-has-become-a-racist-organisation

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Douglasmummy · Yesterday 19:57

Wabbajack · Yesterday 14:38

Turns out the Scottish greens aren't any better.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/hamas-political-wing-terror-group-ross-greer-greens-dqdl66gbz

The official policy, a copy of which has been obtained by The Times in what is known internally as a policy reference document, states: “We call for the removal of Hamas from the designation as a terrorist organisation and seek to work with all parties who can contribute to the end of the occupation of Palestine by non-military means.”
It also condemns “Zionism as a racist ideology based on Jewish supremacy in Palestine” and calls for “the unconditional release of all Palestinian political prisoners from Israeli jails”, which in practice is likely to mean the release of Hamas terrorists.
The policy backs the repeal of Israel’s “law of return” for Jews, which grants all Jews the right to settle in the country, branding it discriminatory despite it being designed in 1950 to ensure members of the minority group had a safe haven in the wake of the Holocaust.

I thought the Scottish Greens had distanced themselves from the English Greens. Didn't realise that was because they felt they hadn't gone far enough!

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:03

Canillasboy · Yesterday 13:27

To me it is academic what the Greens think . The real issue is how is the world going to get the Israelis and the Palestinians to co-exist alongside each other in peace. BOTH sides need to forget the history and put it aside and work towards securing a peace for themselves, their families and their grandchildren otherwise this conflict will still be being fought in 50 years time, do they really want that. Neither side is going to "win" this conflict, history tells them that. It is unrealistic for Israel to believe they can annihilate the Palestinians (were the Israelis annihilated after WW2?) and everyone has long memories and so far nobody forgets what the other side has done to them and promises revenge. It will only stop if both sides accept the others right to exist but at the same time cease trying to harm each other with missiles and rhetoric.

WTF

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 20:16

Douglasmummy · Yesterday 19:57

I thought the Scottish Greens had distanced themselves from the English Greens. Didn't realise that was because they felt they hadn't gone far enough!

Mad isn't it?

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PurpleThistle7 · Yesterday 20:55

Canillasboy · Yesterday 13:27

To me it is academic what the Greens think . The real issue is how is the world going to get the Israelis and the Palestinians to co-exist alongside each other in peace. BOTH sides need to forget the history and put it aside and work towards securing a peace for themselves, their families and their grandchildren otherwise this conflict will still be being fought in 50 years time, do they really want that. Neither side is going to "win" this conflict, history tells them that. It is unrealistic for Israel to believe they can annihilate the Palestinians (were the Israelis annihilated after WW2?) and everyone has long memories and so far nobody forgets what the other side has done to them and promises revenge. It will only stop if both sides accept the others right to exist but at the same time cease trying to harm each other with missiles and rhetoric.

In all honestly it’s somewhat academic what the Palestinians think as Hamas is running the show. With money from terrorist organisations all across the Middle East. The war isn’t between Israel and Palestine, it’s Israel fighting a genocidal terror organisation whose charter calls for the destruction of the entire country and everyone in the entire world who shares your religion. It’s always been difficult for me to see how to start negotiations in this scenario and not sure anyone else knows either.

Douglasmummy · Yesterday 21:15

It is completely academic what The Greens think. They have no power to decide on a single Palestinian state. Surely the people who put this motion forward know this. Which begs the question- so why did they do it? I suspect in large part it was to drive 'the wrong kind of people' people out of the party. That is all it could be about- the old environmentalist Greens and particularly the Jews, and possibly 4 of the 5 Green MPs being driven out of the party. Lubna Speitan more or less admitted to it.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 21:21

Douglasmummy · Yesterday 21:15

It is completely academic what The Greens think. They have no power to decide on a single Palestinian state. Surely the people who put this motion forward know this. Which begs the question- so why did they do it? I suspect in large part it was to drive 'the wrong kind of people' people out of the party. That is all it could be about- the old environmentalist Greens and particularly the Jews, and possibly 4 of the 5 Green MPs being driven out of the party. Lubna Speitan more or less admitted to it.

It was a stupid thing to do.

Like parasites killing the host.

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WinterGold · Yesterday 22:00

Singling out a specific group to deny them national self-determination or agency represents the double standards in mainstream political discourse. While parties on the Right are rightly criticised when their policies target specific national or ethnic groups, similar policy positions from parties like the Greens are often given a bye because they are framed through a different ideological lens.

Ultimately, if anti racism and anti xenophobia are universal principles, they must apply equally, regardless of the target group or the political standing of the party promoting the policy!

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