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Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism (part 2)

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Twiglets1 · 09/10/2026 09:42

Follow on from previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5585462-greens-adopt-policy-treating-zionism-as-racism?page=40&reply=155235707

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BIossomtoes · 15/10/2026 21:34

noblegiraffe · 15/10/2026 21:08

It is a signal for those who were suspicious that Labour would go into a coalition with the Greens next government. Not unless they ditch this policy it seems.

Burnham said exactly that last week. Just eyelashes and t shirt, my arse. He really means business.

Neverstopwondering · 15/10/2026 21:42

Not sure he does mean business

It could easily be that he knows the just have to ditch it because of one state stuff but not ditch the whole racist rhetoric that was also in that motion.

Therefore the Greens can ditch the policy but still be as nasty as they like.

Once the policy is ditched labour would still be collaborative with some very nasty people if a coalition happened

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2026 21:47

I’m not sure he’s that stupid. They’ve told us all who they are and it won’t be quickly forgotten. Decent people will desert the Greens and where will they go?

Twiglets1 · 16/10/2026 09:17

BIossomtoes · 15/10/2026 21:47

I’m not sure he’s that stupid. They’ve told us all who they are and it won’t be quickly forgotten. Decent people will desert the Greens and where will they go?

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That's an interesting question.

I guess some will defect to the Lib Dems and some to Labour.

Some may be discussing starting up a new party - who knows?

The trouble with a new party/new name is that the "Green Party" is active in Europe as well so really it would make more sense to ditch Zack for a more intelligent leader who actually DOES care about environmental issues, and save the soul of the Green party of England & Wales.

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BIossomtoes · 16/10/2026 09:42

Twiglets1 · 16/10/2026 09:17

That's an interesting question.

I guess some will defect to the Lib Dems and some to Labour.

Some may be discussing starting up a new party - who knows?

The trouble with a new party/new name is that the "Green Party" is active in Europe as well so really it would make more sense to ditch Zack for a more intelligent leader who actually DOES care about environmental issues, and save the soul of the Green party of England & Wales.

My feeling is that most of those leaving will go to Labour. I think the birth of a new party is unlikely. I feel desperately sorry for longstanding Green members seeing their party destroyed like this. Caroline Lucas must be devastated.

noblegiraffe · 16/10/2026 09:49

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2026 09:42

My feeling is that most of those leaving will go to Labour. I think the birth of a new party is unlikely. I feel desperately sorry for longstanding Green members seeing their party destroyed like this. Caroline Lucas must be devastated.

I think I was more pissed off when the same people made Labour unelectable and we ended up with way more years of Tory government than we might have done.

Chersfrozenface · 16/10/2026 10:01

noblegiraffe · 16/10/2026 09:49

I think I was more pissed off when the same people made Labour unelectable and we ended up with way more years of Tory government than we might have done.

If the Omnicausal herd that left Labour to go to the Greens, sometimes via Your Party, now move back to Labour, won't the same problem arise?

Unless Labours fixers can head them off or eject them once they'be become members.

Then they would have to find a new prey entity or form their own party.

Twiglets1 · 16/10/2026 10:41

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2026 09:42

My feeling is that most of those leaving will go to Labour. I think the birth of a new party is unlikely. I feel desperately sorry for longstanding Green members seeing their party destroyed like this. Caroline Lucas must be devastated.

Yes that is likely I agree.

Labour will need to vet people jumping from the Green party to make sure they aren't those with the sort of antisemitic views that were so damaging to Labour in the past as @noblegiraffe pointed out.

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Twiglets1 · 16/10/2026 10:46

Chersfrozenface · 16/10/2026 10:01

If the Omnicausal herd that left Labour to go to the Greens, sometimes via Your Party, now move back to Labour, won't the same problem arise?

Unless Labours fixers can head them off or eject them once they'be become members.

Then they would have to find a new prey entity or form their own party.

They definitely should have gone to Your Party but presumably deemed that party wasn't politically successful enough to be useful in moving their extreme ideas into the mainstream.

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LizzieW1969 · 16/10/2026 16:12

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2026 09:42

My feeling is that most of those leaving will go to Labour. I think the birth of a new party is unlikely. I feel desperately sorry for longstanding Green members seeing their party destroyed like this. Caroline Lucas must be devastated.

I quite agree, it must be upsetting for her. It’s clearly also upset the Green MPs. And i think you may well be right that a lot of Green voters may now switch their support to Labour.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/10/2026 13:56

noblegiraffe · 16/10/2026 09:49

I think I was more pissed off when the same people made Labour unelectable and we ended up with way more years of Tory government than we might have done.

Well quite.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/10/2026 13:57

Neverstopwondering · 15/10/2026 21:42

Not sure he does mean business

It could easily be that he knows the just have to ditch it because of one state stuff but not ditch the whole racist rhetoric that was also in that motion.

Therefore the Greens can ditch the policy but still be as nasty as they like.

Once the policy is ditched labour would still be collaborative with some very nasty people if a coalition happened

Exactly. I think some posters are somewhat naive about what will happen.

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 14:01

noblegiraffe · 18/10/2026 12:58

David Collier has written his account of the Green Party conference

https://david-collier.com/inside-occupied-territory-at-the-green-party-conference/

Thanks for that, Noble. Now tell me I’m naive @Ereshkigalangcleg.

ShipPly · 18/10/2026 14:33

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 14:01

Thanks for that, Noble. Now tell me I’m naive @Ereshkigalangcleg.

And yet, some posters were considering switching to the greens from Labour, lest we forget....

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 14:36

ShipPly · 18/10/2026 14:33

And yet, some posters were considering switching to the greens from Labour, lest we forget....

If that was supposed to be some kind of gotcha yes I was - when Carla Denyer was joint leader. It was a completely different party then.

Douglasmummy · 18/10/2026 22:15

Neverstopwondering · 18/10/2026 21:28

He said he wanted to try to amend it to advocate for a two state solution. I bet if he does that he will be ousted. Because that's not extreme enough to drive the people out of the party they want driven out. The 200000 people who have travelled in from Momentum, Your Party etc won't want to be just the same as everyone else. They know Israel isn't going anywhere so it's a forever war they can fight. At this point it will just be interesting to see them go full Trotskyist/ Muslim Brotherhood ( both of whom use entryists tactics to eject opposition and further their aims) and watch it play out. History tells us that the Hard Left always collapse into infighting and purity spirals. They will have enabled an Islamist hardline party with all that entails for women and LGBT but since they would have bullied all the moderates out of the party they will be on their own, having as usual, enabled fascists. Luckily 200,000 people is not a large enough group of people to have an impact nationally, and at least they are all in one loony bin together.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2026 10:53

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 14:01

Thanks for that, Noble. Now tell me I’m naive @Ereshkigalangcleg.

What exactly did you imagine I was saying? My point is that Labour will need the Greens however mad they are. I’ve read that report. It’s shocking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2026 10:55

And no it was not “a completely different party” then. They purged their feminist members for standing up for women’s rights. They encouraged the entire far left of Labour to join.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2026 10:56

ShipPly · 18/10/2026 14:33

And yet, some posters were considering switching to the greens from Labour, lest we forget....

There was a lot of approval for the Greens on MN.

ShipPly · 19/10/2026 10:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2026 10:56

There was a lot of approval for the Greens on MN.

Yes, there was. Funny how these same posters are now outraged at what's come out at the greens conference.

LuckyHazelFox · 19/10/2026 11:04

noblegiraffe · 18/10/2026 12:58

David Collier has written his account of the Green Party conference

https://david-collier.com/inside-occupied-territory-at-the-green-party-conference/

So he hasn't bailed out and has carried on his purpose in the same vein. Thanks for sharing. The women in that party and/or the remaining Jews really need to evacuate the sewer.

LuckyHazelFox · 19/10/2026 11:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/10/2026 10:56

There was a lot of approval for the Greens on MN.

..while slating Reform/Restore for harbouring misogyny and racism. Nothing less than the usual double standards.

noblegiraffe · 19/10/2026 11:15

I think there's plenty of people out there who see them as two cheeks of the same arse.