Suella Braverman a disgrace to humanity

In my workplace Christmas has been banned for the last two years. So yes, people are ‘asking’ the English (or is it Christians? Yes I know not all Christians are English of course) to give up our traditions.

Why is the answer Suella gave to FB the problem?

“Suella used it for herself. Everyone seems angry at what one female politician self identifies as. It’s her decision.”

Well @EasternStandard - unfortunately for her, there is the concept of inference and what her party stands for. And she should have made it very clear that everyone gets to decide based on their feelings and their own choice of self identification. Rather than being OTHERED and labelled.

And Kemi put her straight with regard to the personal anecdote of Kemi’s chidlren. Who are a great living example of the current youngest generation,

Look - the young are into self identification. Suck it up. If they wish to describe themselves as British Boris in the future, that will be their choice or English Londoners.

Because it seems clear that she knows that she’s stoking division. And if she’s doesn’t then she’s not very bright.

I’m perfectly happy for her identity how she likes but how she did it was clearly a dog whistle.

I just find the outrage over this so very odd, and I really am no Suella fan. I am not ethnically English and would find it absurd and tbh dismissive of my real ethnic origins if anyone suggested I was ethnically English. As though my living in England erases the blood of my ancestors. I wasn’t even born in this country, though I’ve been here since a young child and do have citizenship. I’d describe myself as English if someone asked where I was from, yes. I feel culturally really quite English, especially compared to extended family back in my country of origin. But my DNA has no connection to the British isles whatsoever. I’m not sure why anyone would be bothered by this - it’s just factually correct.

People describe Britain as an island of immigrants or as JRM said a “mongrel” people, but that’s true of, I would argue, most countries across the world. The fact is that ethnically British people share similar DNA when analysed - including the very fact that this dna reflects various migrations to Britain.

The topic of DNA and its origins is important to me because my ethnicity is Romani. If you tested my DNA for ethnic origins, there is no “Romani” gene. However, my DNA would show origins from Asia and Europe that when looked at as a whole betrays me as a Romani gypsy. I would wholeheartedly object to the idea that my ethnicity doesn’t exist just because there is no specific “Romani” gene. I cannot see why it is different for ethnically English people - there are patterns of specific ancestral origins that could reveal you to be English if analysed.

I also find it a bit odd because if you say there is no English ethnicity, you are saying that ethnically English people have no ethnicity. But I, an English person of foreign ethnicity, most certainly do have an ethnicity which I’m proud of. Are you saying my ethnicity doesn’t exist either? Or are you just saying you are the default, neutral human and us ethnics are different flavours of exotic English?

I am English in attitude and nationality, England is my home. I’m proud and supremely grateful to be able to call myself English. I don’t feel my ethnicity makes me any less English in any meaningful way. I don’t feel remotely threatened by ethnically English people correctly acknowledging themselves as ethnically English.

I actually agree with you completely on this. But problems arise when people start applying stereotypes to ethnic groups in ways that sow division instead of accepting people are individuals. Same with the class system.

Her answer was wrong how? She should have said something other than British Asian? What words should she have used instead?

Nobody can 'ban' Christmas. It will still happen every year...

Her answer was wrong how? She should have said something other than British Asian? What words should she have used instead?

If you don’t understand why this was stoking division and dog whistle then I’m afraid there is little point in me discussing this with you.

That’s a non answer because it’s a hard one for you. What’s wrong with a female politician saying who she is?

You don’t need to use personal questions like this to put anyone under the spotlight. If you are then perhaps stop.

She could have this is a personal issue for everyone and I’m not here to discuss this. But obviously that was never going to be something she would do as she and her party are all about identity politics and stoking division between people

That’s a non answer because it’s a hard one for you. What’s wrong with a female politician saying who she is?

You don’t need to use personal questions like this to put anyone under the spotlight. If you are then perhaps stop.

How is asking if you understand something a personal question? How odd? I’m not asking for your IQ

Right so it was her fault for being asked the question. It’s the same as Margoyles asking Andi Peters.

In that case he wasn’t the guest on the show so had producers helping him rightly shut it down.

Much harder if it’s Fiona Bruce doing it.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/style-guide/ethnic-groups/

This ethnicity monitoring classification list is public policy on the government website. It's been in use for decades. The groups were agreed with immigrants from ethnic groups. The counting of ethnicity is mandatory for many services. The data is used by the government for planning everything.

Suella simply described herself in line with this public policy.

Has this ever been described as spouting hatred? Are we ripping apart the country when we fill in the census? Are you upset that a woman who is not ethnically English knows that?
Is mandatory ethnicity monitoring in every single public sector organisation dividing and conquering?
How do you think young English people think when you tell them that their own ethnicity is hatred?

I’ve just answered it for you…what’s wrong is stoking hate and division I don’t care who you are

Fiona Bruce type questions. If you think she’s fine to do it and do the same perhaps stop.

You mean like using the term little Englanders. I'm not sure that's a term of endearment.
Incidentally, where I grew up, english was a shorthand for white. I must check in with the kiddywinks as to whether they use it, might just be a generational thing.

What are you talking about..

So answering a direct and personal question put to you in an interview is stoking hate and division, but calling someone a disgrace to humanity is better?

I would love to not be on the same side as some racists on this particular question, but accepting many of the arguments of the other side here would require me to drop about 80 IQ points first.

Do you think it was ok for Miriam Margoyles to ask Andi Peters about his identity and do you think it’s ok for Fiona Bruce to ask Suella B?

Both ok? Both not.. or just one.

I’m not talking about that. I don’t know about that and can’t be bothered to research it to have an opinion