Suella Braverman a disgrace to humanity

That it’s blurred was the whole point of my post and why it’s dangerous what Suella is doing!

I disagree suggesting you can’t be ethnically English if you’re black is racist.

Well this is the key point. The English are supposed to give up their culture and heritage for migrants, but migrants are allowed and encouraged to keep their culture and heritage...and then they try to deny us ours?! Can you not see the problem here?

We have been badgered for years to pay reparations for our ancestors misdeeds but we are also not allowed to have any ancestors or claim to our own land?! I mean can we all agree that the native English are being pushed from pillar to post atm.

Could you be ethnically Twi, Khmer or Sephardi? (Assuming you aren’t already, of course)

What is the native English?? I think you’re going to have to start testing everyone’s DNA to establish this and you’ll fine it’s impossible to isolate. There is no single genetic marker of Englishness.

Oh nonsense. Nobody in the UK is asking anyone to give up their English traditions. What is coming in is in addition, not instead of. Nobody is banning poppies, Christmas, crumpets or cricket. It's just that we now have more choices.

And nobody is stealing English land. Buying it maybe - but that's on the person choosing to sell.

We cannot all agree, because we are not all blinkered nativity.

Whether you are English is probably whether the reasonable person thinks you are (ie with ancestors going back at least a few generations).

Its interesting to look at it from another perspective. Is Putin right when he says there are ethnic Russians in other countries such as Chechnya and therefore Russia has the right to take their land to protect those Russians? Those Russians may have been there many generations, when the USSR was russifiying the satellite states. Many of them despite being born and raised in Chechnya would say they are Russian. When do they become Chechens? Do they ever? Or are they and their descendants always Russian.

If you came here from India are your descendants always Indian?

Being half English half another country I have to say not once have I ever given this any thought until the identity politics of the last few years.

In my workplace Christmas has been banned for the last two years. So yes, people are ‘asking’ the English (or is it Christians? Yes I know not all Christians are English of course) to give up our traditions.

What do you mean banned?!

My DNA is a mixture of various English regions and 4% Northern Germany. Clearly I’m ethnically English. It’s not something I’d go around saying but it’s also not something that is not true.

It means you say “happy holidays” not “Happy Christmas” and there is no Christmas party.

They have unbranded the staff celebration from Christmas and called it a winter celebration. When some of us asked that it be called Christmas again, it was refused.

I'm not going to be bullied into pretending anyone from anywhere is English.

Harping? If we said non English ethnicities were "harping" you would lie down on the floor have a massive tantrum.

Why exactly have immigrants forced us to count their ethnicity for decades then if it it's all so despicable and only done by far right nutters? Are immigrants far right nutters?

This country is sleep walking into cultural oblivion!

Even now it’s mooted we call Christmas cards “Winter Cards”
FFS imagine the furore if we banned Eid, Ramadan or Diwali.

People need to wake the fuck up before our heritage and culture is deliberately disappeared.

That's really not going to work for much longer - the house of cards is falling. The only racists here are those denying the English their ethnicity.

Who mooted that? Statements like this require substantiation. In any case, mooting something doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'm NHS and Christmas decs are all ready to be deployed.

Oh dear.

We count ethnicity because it helps us plan resource allocation in services. Some ethnic groups are more vulnerable to certain types of illness. Knowing where they're concentrated means services can be planned accordingly. No big conspiracy, just pragmatism.

More than 68 per cent of babies born in London, England currently have a parent born abroad. The vast majority have the legal right to British nationality and are British citizens from birth.

It is simplest to let them decide how they wish to describe themselves. Whether it’s from England, English or „British Indian“, or British Chinese, or British Polish or English Polish or whatever- it’s their decision. The 21st century is mixed, it’s a fact recorded in ONS statistics.
As far as I am concerned, you are born in England you are English. I don’t care on what soil your grandpa shagged your granny.

Also the concept of “British Asian”. I mean Asia, that is 60 per cent of the world’s population almost now, almost 4.9 billion people. So if you have British nationality and some ancestors from Asia, then what you are meant to be in some random bucket of “Asian”.
As far as I am concerned, British Asian is a time period thing as well. Usually two parents from somewhere in South Asia who came over in the last century. I mean maybe some young people whose parents arrived during the Boris wave to eg work for the NHS or in care, do like the term? One would have to ask them if they want to be lumped together with more than half the world, so that some little Englanders have a way of describing them.

Agree I’m seriously struggling with the arguments put forward by some on here.

On the one hand people want immigrants to adopt the language, cultural practices (e.g, Christmas to be celebrated etc) but then it doesn’t matter how many generations you can trace your family in the England you’re still not English because you’re not white!!

The whole thing stirred up by Suella and people like her is divisive and horrible.

Why is the answer Suella gave to FB the problem?

It is also just illogical. I mean last century we had a lot of people come from Europe whose children now live here permanently, went to school here, are born in England and are very much going to stay here long term and work here and have children here. And I did not hear types like Suella jumping up and down proclaiming they are “British European”.

Suella used it for herself. Everyone seems angry at what one female politician self identifies as. It’s her decision.

I actually agree with you completely on this. But problems arise when people start applying stereotypes to ethnic groups in ways that sow division instead of accepting people are individuals. Same with the class system.