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Reform lost 6 by elections this week ๐ŸŽ‰

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TheRealSmurfette · 05/10/2026 03:38

Some good news to start the week!
The mainstream media might be quiet about it, but the numbers donโ€™t lie: Reform UK just lost SIX by-elections in a single week.

Their momentum is officially hitting a wall. On Thursday, they failed to win across the UK and even lost the incumbent seats they were supposed to defend:

  • Amble Ward (Northumberland) โ€” LOST (Gained by Labour)
  • Hirst Ward (Northumberland) โ€” LOST (Reclaimed by Labour)
  • Claremont Ward (Blackpool) โ€” LOST (Held by Labour)
  • Long Whatton & Diseworth Ward (NW Leicestershire) โ€” LOST (Held by Conservatives)
  • Wick & East Caithness Ward (Highland) โ€” LOST (Stormed by Lib Dems)
  • Forth & Endrick Ward (Stirling) โ€” LOST (Held by Conservatives) about:blank 1, 2]

The right-wing vote is splitting down the middle, squeezing them out in low-turnout battles. Proof that real, local communities are seeing through the rhetoric.

Keep it up lads! ๐Ÿ™Œ

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Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:12

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:06

I don't know if you can rely on that when people actually vote. Look at Trump.

Well the polling companies have researched/focus grouped where the Reform vote has gone and why people are moving away from them - the financial shenanigans are consistently cited as the reason

Of course all political polling has limitations - that's hardly news

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:14

pointythings · 18/10/2026 14:21

So are the Conservatives going to bring in safe legal routes then? Not to mention that they can whine about 'illegal entrants' all they want, but international law is very clear on that point.

What are they going to replace the provisions of the ECHR with, and are they committed to maintaining protection against discrimination of all kinds? Or are you happy for employers to refuse to employ people based on sex, skin colour or sexual orientation?

When they say 'fiscal contribution', what does that look like? I mean, i've been here 29 years. Always worked, never claimed benefits except for child benefit for the last 2 years before my youngest turned 18 (I wasn't eligible before due to being married to a US national). So at what point do my contributions begin to count and am I eliegible for support if I lose my job? And what about my DC, who are foreign nationals but were born here?

This is the problem I have - there are no simple solutions, and nobody on either side of the divide seems to want to acknowledge that.

International law is an illusion. We can abide by it or not and see what happens. We can leave the ECHR if its now working against the interests of our own population. Or it can be amended which is probably what will happen.

Any "rights" dont flow from the ECHR at the end of the day. They come from Parliamemt chosing to follow the provisions of the ECHR. If we leave we can then chose what laws to havs regarding empyment etc. I think people misunderstand that.

I think fiscal contribution will be no benefits and be a net contributer. Don't come here with an aim to live off taxpayers. Like most other countries require.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:15

Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:12

Well the polling companies have researched/focus grouped where the Reform vote has gone and why people are moving away from them - the financial shenanigans are consistently cited as the reason

Of course all political polling has limitations - that's hardly news

I think by 2029 that won't really be an issue assuming nothing else happens re finances.

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:18

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:14

International law is an illusion. We can abide by it or not and see what happens. We can leave the ECHR if its now working against the interests of our own population. Or it can be amended which is probably what will happen.

Any "rights" dont flow from the ECHR at the end of the day. They come from Parliamemt chosing to follow the provisions of the ECHR. If we leave we can then chose what laws to havs regarding empyment etc. I think people misunderstand that.

I think fiscal contribution will be no benefits and be a net contributer. Don't come here with an aim to live off taxpayers. Like most other countries require.

I donโ€™t think most people misunderstand it at all. Leaving the EHCR would be a disaster for women, anyone employed by someone else and all minorities. I certainly donโ€™t want to live in a country without that safeguard.

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:18

TopPocketFind · 18/10/2026 15:04

Zero immigration from the majority of Muslim countries

Will you ban their investments in the UK as well.

Stop 'Expats' moving there?

Fine by me.

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:20

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LizzieW1969 · 18/10/2026 15:21

pointythings · 18/10/2026 14:58

I'm completely on board with deporting extremists. Let's start with Rupert Lowe, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and all their mates.

I couldn't agree more, if only they could be!

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:22

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:18

I donโ€™t think most people misunderstand it at all. Leaving the EHCR would be a disaster for women, anyone employed by someone else and all minorities. I certainly donโ€™t want to live in a country without that safeguard.

I disagree. I think Parliament should be the ultimate law maker. We seem to have laid the foundations of human rights world wide over the years. I expect we can maintain rights in this country without European judges (some european countries haven't always maintained human rights over the years). The reason we should leave the ECHR is that judges are using it to prioritise the rights of a foreign individual over the national interest. Which is not good.

As I say, I suspect the ECHR will be changed as most EU countries also have an issue with immigration. And right wing parties are getting stronger in EU countries.

Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:24

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:15

I think by 2029 that won't really be an issue assuming nothing else happens re finances.

Some of the current financial investigations have a long timeline - even into the next parliament and that's without more issues being exposed - so it will be the gift which keeps on giving

And anyway if voters have already left because they don't approve of Farages/Reforms financial probity there's no reason for them to return just because there's been no new scandals

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:25

The trouble with parliament being the ultimate law maker is that an extremist government can fuck about with our rights at will. Youโ€™re already complaining about someone with a spent conviction being in government so itโ€™s clear you understand what the danger might be.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:26

Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:24

Some of the current financial investigations have a long timeline - even into the next parliament and that's without more issues being exposed - so it will be the gift which keeps on giving

And anyway if voters have already left because they don't approve of Farages/Reforms financial probity there's no reason for them to return just because there's been no new scandals

I dont think the electorate is particularly stable voting intention-wise at the moment. I think plenty of people will change their voting intentions before 2029. If theres a big attack by illegal immigrants before the election for example many people will be frightened and vote for the party that will definitely change the status quo.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:27

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:25

The trouble with parliament being the ultimate law maker is that an extremist government can fuck about with our rights at will. Youโ€™re already complaining about someone with a spent conviction being in government so itโ€™s clear you understand what the danger might be.

If we had an extremist government though amd they wanted to get rid of our rights, presumably they would pull out of the ECHR or ignore it. Easy to do.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/10/2026 15:28

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:18

Fine by me.

Do you have an idea of how to replacement that investment?

Iโ€™m assuming itโ€™s not coming out of your back pocket.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:29

SleeplessInWherever · 18/10/2026 15:28

Do you have an idea of how to replacement that investment?

Iโ€™m assuming itโ€™s not coming out of your back pocket.

Manchesterism was built on cash from the UAE after all.

LizzieW1969 · 18/10/2026 15:32

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:25

The trouble with parliament being the ultimate law maker is that an extremist government can fuck about with our rights at will. Youโ€™re already complaining about someone with a spent conviction being in government so itโ€™s clear you understand what the danger might be.

This is completely true. The system needs checks and balances, so that human rights are protected.

Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:32

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:26

I dont think the electorate is particularly stable voting intention-wise at the moment. I think plenty of people will change their voting intentions before 2029. If theres a big attack by illegal immigrants before the election for example many people will be frightened and vote for the party that will definitely change the status quo.

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If theres a big attack by illegal immigrants before the election for example......

What a rich fantasy life you have - don't really want to engage with this sort of nonsense

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:33

LizzieW1969 · 18/10/2026 15:32

This is completely true. The system needs checks and balances, so that human rights are protected.

How? Not by international law thats obvious. Parliament can make or unmake any law it choses. And currently it choses to follow the ECHR laws. And it can chose not to and nothing can stop it.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:34

Efacsen · 18/10/2026 15:32

If theres a big attack by illegal immigrants before the election for example......

What a rich fantasy life you have - don't really want to engage with this sort of nonsense

Oh. Because that's never happened before.

I thought the security services have confirmed Iranian agents have been coming in on the boats. Perfectly conceivable there may be an attack.

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:47

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:27

If we had an extremist government though amd they wanted to get rid of our rights, presumably they would pull out of the ECHR or ignore it. Easy to do.

Thatโ€™s exactly what Badenoch is proposing.

pointythings · 18/10/2026 15:50

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:34

Oh. Because that's never happened before.

I thought the security services have confirmed Iranian agents have been coming in on the boats. Perfectly conceivable there may be an attack.

Edited

You haven't mentioned the increased risk of attacks from the far right, as described not long ago by MI5. They listed Russia, Iran, AI and the far right.

You seem scarily eager for a specific kind of attack. I wonder why?

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:51

SleeplessInWherever · 18/10/2026 15:28

Do you have an idea of how to replacement that investment?

Iโ€™m assuming itโ€™s not coming out of your back pocket.

I'm sure it would pay for itself in no time if we are no longer spending billions paying benefits to, and putting up these male economic chancers in 4 star hotels.

LittleBowSheep · 18/10/2026 15:52

Strange how some posters just have to have the last word. It's easier to deal with a 5yr old.

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:53

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:51

I'm sure it would pay for itself in no time if we are no longer spending billions paying benefits to, and putting up these male economic chancers in 4 star hotels.

Economically illiterate as well.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/10/2026 15:54

BIossomtoes · 18/10/2026 15:47

Thatโ€™s exactly what Badenoch is proposing.

Yes. But they arent an extremist government obviously.

Your point was that the ECHR will prevent an extremist government removing all our rights. My point is that an extremist government if they wanted to remove all our rights would jist leave the ECHR or ignore it. Parliamentary sovereignty.

International law is not the source of our rights. Theres no direct effect of the ECHR regs. I think this is where people get confused.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/10/2026 15:55

Traveller1987 · 18/10/2026 15:51

I'm sure it would pay for itself in no time if we are no longer spending billions paying benefits to, and putting up these male economic chancers in 4 star hotels.

Iโ€™m not sure it would, given that asylum support (including hotels) makes up less than 2% of our total welfare bill.

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