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I'm not sure the 'luxury obsessions' thing is that big a deal. I've never heard anyone in my home community voice an opinion one way or the other on Gaza, Chagos or trans people.
What I hear is working people blaming people on benefits for the fact they pay tax, and people on benefits blaming immigrants for the fact they don't get as much they they need in benefits.
I see people complaining about the cost of living and shortage of housing and blaming 'the government' (take your pick which administration, because 'they're all the same')
I see people at the end of their tether because their neighbourhoods are awful and they can't make ends meet, and "giving Nigel a chance because the others are rubbish"
Which is pretty harsh on Labour really, as they are the party most likely to centre their interests, as we see already with changes to employment law, renters rights, reluctance to reduce welfare and so on, and have only been in power a comparatively short time.
However, a large chunk of working class people have always been inexplicably (to me) right wing and suspicious of Labour.

I agree, but mostly they won’t. They hate ‘lefties’ more than they hate Reform.

Exactly. They flipping well should feel uncomfortable!

Undercover Inside Reform UK: Full ITV Exposure Documentary

It would be good if Tories did the same and vote for centre or centre left parties to stop him.

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Farage is so disliked leftists will vote Tory to stop him
The Lowdown with Peter Kellner on whether politics is returning to normal

Even if Farage became PM those people will still be ignored. He won't make their lives any better. That is the frustrating thing.

Are you saying only the working class express sexism and racism? As a working class person I'd like to know.

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Thank you for actually engaging with the point. I get that Reform are false prophets. I think the Labour party havent helped themselves with things like Chagos or trans or Gaza etc...luxury obsessions that dont deal with anything useful. And the Conservatives have done nothing for the north. And Rotherham rape gangs have been replicated throughout the country but we dont hear much now. Apart from Rupert Lowe from Restore. Which again is a disaster. Hes filling a vacuum. No one cares about the north. The region where I live has nothing. No industry and extremely high benefits dependency. Reform seem to have an answer as you say. Its not one I agree with as I dont like their economic solutions so they wont be able to help poor areas I dont think they will succeed if they did get in.

They’ll be ignored if Farage throws the towel in because they’ll collapse like a house of cards without him. I suspect it wouldn’t take much now to make him cash in his chips and bugger off to the US.

I know why people vote Reform. The Reform voters here never tire of telling us. Over and over again.

I'm surprised they need a non Reform voter to be their mouthpiece tbh.

I think youve missed my point or ignored it. Which is fine. Its a shame you keep your head in the sand and ignore what I said about why people vote for Reform. But there are a lot of them and they cant be ignored for ever.

Thank you for that most interesting insight. Since I haven’t engaged in derailing, whataboutery or minimisation of Reform's actions I’ll ignore it.

I don't disagree with your first paragraph at all.
I also live in a deprived community, festooned with flags and with a Reform council. I also hear people saying things that are racist and sexist. Though the type of things said in the Reform documentary are very extreme. I've not heard anyone go that far, though perhaps they do when sure they're amongst the like minded.
I don't disagree with you at all. However, this isn't new information or a complex analysis and I'd be very surprised if it's passed the other parties by.
Certainly Labour get it. As you say, Burnham has centred these communities in his stated vision. However, he got it anyway, as do very many Labour supporters, and long before Reform came along pretending to listen, but really only listening to and amplifying the bits that suit their agenda.
Don't get me wrong, they've played a blinder. Ridden into town on the back of 14 years of Tory neglect and given people the problem (immigration) and the solution (stop the boats) in one easy to digest package.
People support them because they believe their false coin and no, bad language won't put them off. The only thing that can do that is a government that will actually improve their lives and Burnham is at least taking the right steps. But he's got an uphill battle.

I suspect the tactical voting for “anything except Reform” will be massive if they still exist at the next GE. To the point where any polling is meaningless.

So you've come to scold, campaign and argue on their behalf? Poor pets.

Reform's Press Office said that they are there to defend the indefensible.

It's not just them doing it.

Reform voters know who and what they are voting for.

Why would they care? Thats the least of tbeir worries. I get about a bit with my job and talk to a lot of people of all sorts. And I love a chat about the state of the world clearly! And thats what I can say I've seen. So i suspect the polls won't budge much. I may be wrong.

It's not the bad language that is the issue, it's the racism and sexism

There arent any on here. Probably because they dont give a hoot what people think of them and will (correctly) assume its negative coming from non Reform supporters.

If Reform voters are uncomfortable facing this wave of disapproval then they need to take a closer look at the party they support.

That a lot of people in regions of the north for example dont give two hoots about polite talk or what is socially acceptable or probably care what ITV filmed.. Many feel they have been utterly shafted and ignored by successive governments (one good thing AB is doing is highlighting the north exists). Many feel there is no future for them at all. They listen to Labour and the Conservatives pretend to care, but benefit their own voter groups. The Labour Party has betrayed them hence the red wall went. Boris betrayed them. So they look for something new..a party that seems to speak for them and acknowledge their jobs may have been taken by an immigrant or wages under cut by an immigrant. NF speaks for them. He speaks like a bloke without political language. They wont care a bit about some bad language. Thats how they speak. They wouldnt give a hoot about the disapproval on here. Why would they? No one has cared about them for decades.

Those are my thoughts on it. This is what Labour or the Conservatives need to deal with. I havent any view on whether the tyoes of people above are right or wrong. Presumably everyone on here will condemn them as racists as they have been for the last 39 pages. Disapproval of any comment other than one condemning Reform.

Edit..and actually its not just working class people. Plenty of middle class people feel the same..quite bitter.

You said that people don't welcome comments on the reasons people vote Reform. I told you why I don't welcome the ones I've seen. Because they say the same buzz phrases over and over and add nothing new. You then suggested there were other deeper views on the subject that are useful to hear. What are they?

I don't personally know them. Or not many now I think of it. But I have ears and can listen in pubs. I can get a pretty good idea, anecdotal as that is. I do live in a very poor region so perhaps middle class polite voices aren't as prevalent as elsewhere.