Page 9 | Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

ChocolateCinderToffee · 21/07/2026 23:05

WonderfulSmith · 21/07/2026 22:48

But assuming he knew that he was going to do this I would expect him to want to avoid being pulled over.

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You’re assuming he was rational.

He probably drove like a maniac because he’s a maniac.

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:06

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:02

@KerryWeaversSpecs no left bias here 😜
you can put whatever you want into Google to get a journey time but when you actually do it it’s a different story. I did this journey for 10 years Rotherham to Glos and then her destination is 2hours from here and if anyone on this thread had done it they would know what I’m talking about it may well say 4 hours 10 minutes but in reality it’s not ever. I don’t know of any conspiracy theory but I do know the journey time doesn’t add up which makes me suspicious

Seriously just stop. No one cares about your driving from Gloucester to Rotherham and you sound ridiculous.

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:09

@Gengha thank you for your observation let’s just see how this pans out

Choux · 21/07/2026 23:09

I sometimes watch Murder on CCTV on Red and quite a few times the police find that the time on the CCTV is out. So he may have left Rotherham earlier than just before 8am.

I also noticed a discrepancy in the DM’s reporting today. Again this could be because the time on the CCTV at Ann’s house is incorrect. Or perhaps the DM have mis written the time he entered the house as 12.01pm (and therefore left at 12.03). Because we have previously been told she was sending WhatsApp messages to TV staff till 12.20. Perhaps the time should be 12.31?

https://mol.im/a/15993127

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:13

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:09

@Gengha thank you for your observation let’s just see how this pans out

Yes, shall we

I see you’ve made zero comment on any of the relevant information that’s been released publicly, nor given any view as tio why this would be being set up, as you are inferring

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:15

@Gengha no I haven’t have I and neither will I let’s just see what happens

CypressGrove · 21/07/2026 23:24

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 18/07/2026 15:46

I don't normally get involved in this sort of speculation but in the later pic he seems to have more hair in the sense of it has receeded less than in earlier pic. So unless he's had a hair transplant is it really the same man? I don't think it looks like him even apart from the hair, but the hairline just looks really different. And his face, what can be seen of it.
RIP Ann, I didn't agree with her on most things but she didn't deserve this kind of suffering and I've been struck by how people from all over the political spectrum say she was lovely and kind to them. We all have some bonkers views but how we actually treat others counts. So I may even have revised my view of her.

The 'picture' of him with the car is AI generated from grainy CCTV so where his hairline is in that picture is completely irrelevant.

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

Paul2023 · 21/07/2026 23:34

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

Agree completely. I’d be horrified about this whoever the victim was.

Poor Ann didn’t deserve this. No one does.

The whole thing is so bizarre but horrifying at the same time.

Devonisheaven · 21/07/2026 23:53

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

I can’t get it out of my mind, it’s really upset me, god knows how the people who actually knew and loved her feel, they must be utterly traumatised.

Twonewcats · 21/07/2026 23:56

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:02

@KerryWeaversSpecs no left bias here 😜
you can put whatever you want into Google to get a journey time but when you actually do it it’s a different story. I did this journey for 10 years Rotherham to Glos and then her destination is 2hours from here and if anyone on this thread had done it they would know what I’m talking about it may well say 4 hours 10 minutes but in reality it’s not ever. I don’t know of any conspiracy theory but I do know the journey time doesn’t add up which makes me suspicious

Lots of factors affect this, tho -
Speed of driving.
School hols always means roads are quiter.
Specifically where in Rotherham he/you left from could easily add a significant amount of time.

I think it's pretty clear that there's evidence placing him at both houses, and along the route

WhatterySquash · 21/07/2026 23:56

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

I feel the same - and I know lots of people are saying "I didn't agree with her views but..." I can see why they say that (I didn't either), because it's important to be able to care about someone and have compassion even if they had different views, and to model that and point it out. So many people don't seem to think that way and think if you're not left-wing or woke you're evil and who cares if you die.

I can't bear to think of her in her old age being horrifically attacked in her own home like that. She was happy there, she was living her best life in her community, she had a cat, she should have been safe. It's just so wrong and awful. And of course yet more male VAWG. And like you say, feels so unbelievable that it's happened.

Gymnopedie · 22/07/2026 00:20

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

I am really hoping that although she will have had a few seconds of terror, the first blow knocked her unconscious and she wasn't aware of anything more.

prh47bridge · 22/07/2026 00:25

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 20:54

There is no way he drove from Rotherham to her home killed her by 12.20 it is impossible completely

It is a 4.5 hour drive. Perfectly possible if you set off by 8am.

Twonewcats · 22/07/2026 00:26

prh47bridge · 22/07/2026 00:25

It is a 4.5 hour drive. Perfectly possible if you set off by 8am.

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And she was killed at 12.30, not 12.20.

prh47bridge · 22/07/2026 00:30

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:29

I live in Glos Rotherham is 3.5 hours from here Bodmin is 3 hours from here 8 hours on a decent run which it never is. It is impossible to get from Rotherham to Bodmin kill someone on a time line of 8 am departure arrival and murder 12.20

She didn't live in Bodmin. She lived in Haytor. Gloucester to Haytor is almost all motorway.

sittingonabeach · 22/07/2026 00:38

m5 around Bristol/Somerset junctions has been pretty horrendous lately, it feels like massive hold ups are on a daily basis. No motorway past Exeter.

sleepwouldbenice · 22/07/2026 00:54

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

agreed
Wouldn't wish this on anyone, let alone someone more vulnerable. Its shocking
I am not going to speculate about motive but atm it just all seems so very odd. I do hope they are able to get to the bottom of it all

TopazQuartz · 22/07/2026 01:35

Gengha · 21/07/2026 23:31

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.

This. Really upsetting. RIP Ann.

upinaballoon · 22/07/2026 01:39

LuckyHazelFox · 21/07/2026 15:07

We only have to hope after the second blow she knew nothing about it. I'm shaking.

That's been my hope. Sorry, I'm a bit late.

upinaballoon · 22/07/2026 02:19

I guess she had views about umpteen things. If I knew them all I think I'd agree with her on many of them. She used to go on about the need for the government to help Afghans who'd helped us and were still in Afghanistan, in danger. I'd agree with her on that, for a start.

YourCoralCritic · 22/07/2026 02:57

LuckyHazelFox · 18/07/2026 17:55

She wouldn't have declined.

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She wasn't pretty enough! Men definitely think with their lower 'Brain!'
She definitely deserved a peerage in my eyes! So terribly sad 🥀

placemats · 22/07/2026 04:31

If the horrific murder of Ann was captured on her internal security camera, why was the first suspect arrested?

MidnightPatrol · 22/07/2026 05:58

placemats · 22/07/2026 04:31

If the horrific murder of Ann was captured on her internal security camera, why was the first suspect arrested?

It may have taken them some time to access the footage.

And I suppose in the case of a violent murder, you want to arrest the perpetrator asap - and it’s possible to make an error in doing that urgently.

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 22/07/2026 06:38

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 23:09

@Gengha thank you for your observation let’s just see how this pans out

Evidence: on the one hand: CCTV, DNA, murder weapon, Google maps estimated drive time, etc etc.
On the other hand: person who can't do the drive in the required time.
Conclusion: person must be a shit driver.

Honestly you are just making yourself look so foolish. Why do you think you can convince people you're right with all the evidence pointing to the police overwhelmingly having the right man? We don't even know you! You could be anyone with any agenda! Indeed you probably are. Why on earth do you think anyone thinks you're worth taking seriously? Just bloody stop it.