To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

There we go. You heard it here. Much like the Labrador and the pint in an English country boozer. That never existed, so stop acting like it did. Maybe we can be provided with little pills that wipe out long-term memory for convenience .

I agree, this faux ‘what is British culture?’ while in the next breath happily acknowledging another country’s culture is laughable.

She clearly means that whole areas are occupied by people who are not Scottish and do not wish to respect or assimilate with Scottish culture. This is simultaneously happening in every European country, and it's disingenuous to pretend that it isn't.

This morning I’ve seen several black labradors, had ice cream on a freezing beach, stopped for a cup of tea with relatives and now my roast dinner is in.

British culture alive and well over here ☺️

God this is so true. Ask any of your plastic patriots what British culture means and they'll probably say things like the Royal Family (German/Greek), fish and chips (invented by Jewish immigrants less than 200 years ago), the Beatles (didn't exist 65 years ago), the Blitz spirit (obviously didn't exist pre-Blitz).

If you asked someone in 1926 they'd have said different things. 1826 different things again. 2126 will be different things again I'm sure. Culture moves on all the time.

What people miss is the familiarity of their childhoods and the recent past. But it all moves on, always has always will.

What the plastic patriots really mean is brown people, of course.

Labour’s rural minister says you don’t exist.

If you've answered it I'm afraid I haven't been able to see where. As for your question, any country can be multicultural and be open to a range of influences, I would have thought, but I've only lived in the UK and experienced other countries on holiday.

God this is so true. Ask any of your plastic patriots what British culture means and they'll probably say things like the Royal Family (German/Greek), fish and chips (invented by Jewish immigrants less than 200 years ago), the Beatles (didn't exist 65 years ago), the Blitz spirit (obviously didn't exist pre-Blitz).

If you asked someone in 1926 they'd have said different things. 1826 different things again. 2126 will be different things again I'm sure. Culture moves on all the time.

What people miss is the familiarity of their childhoods and the recent past. But it all moves on, always has always will.

What the plastic patriots really mean is brown people, of course.

ETA: The quoted post has been missed off. This is in reply to a PP who says the melting pot won't happen, just sectarianism and Sharia law.

The melting pot already is happening. I see it every day.

What will create the dystopia you fear is headlines and protests and laws that tell people "We don't like you, we don't trust you, we don't accept how you live, you have to choose between your community and participating in our wider evolving British culture"

That creates a bunker mentality. The people you fear won't say "ok, fair enough, we are an awful culture and we'll stop doing all the things you say", they will say "This isn't us. They are lying about us because they hate us. Our most extreme voices were right. We need to look after ourselves in our own ways".

If you worry for the freedom of a woman in a veil, don't rip off her veil, give her opportunities, whatever she feels safe to accept for her or for her children. People who feel safe will be part of change organically.

So if it is genuinely not about skin colour, why are we being given a breakdown of the percentages of city populations which are white British, and why are some posters suggesting that it would be a problem if white people cease to be a majority in those areas?

Also, could you clarify why you are lumping "non-Western culture" into one homogeneous group?

Do you think all "Western cultures" are identical? And are you including Japanese culture as "western" now? On what grounds?

How will she have freedom and opportunities if Sharia flourishes?

I never gave any statistics based on colour. If I were to look at stats, I would look at who was born here, and who has arrived recently illegally.

No, Japanese culture is not Western culture, however, we know that they are generally a law abiding, respectful cohort of people, and they don't class women as sub-humans.

I guess I would need to split the world's countries into two categories -

A) Countries where women are equal to men and can do everything that men can.

B) Countries where women are treated as a sub human class, have very few rights, and in some cases are not educated, allowed to sing, enter parks, show their faces, go out without a chaperone etc, etc.

Unfortunately, the men who are entering Britain illegally right now tend to come from pot B. This scares the shit out of me, and it would scare me just as much if they were white. This is not a colour thing, it's a culture thing.

If we create the right opportunities, it won't flourish. Rigid ideas about "who we are" are a fear reaction. On both sides.

God this is so true. Ask any of your plastic patriots what British culture means and they'll probably say things like the Royal Family (German/Greek), fish and chips (invented by Jewish immigrants less than 200 years ago), the Beatles (didn't exist 65 years ago), the Blitz spirit (obviously didn't exist pre-Blitz).

If you asked someone in 1926 they'd have said different things. 1826 different things again. 2126 will be different things again I'm sure. Culture moves on all the time.

What people miss is the familiarity of their childhoods and the recent past. But it all moves on, always has always will.

What the plastic patriots really mean is brown people, of course.

I never gave any statistics based on colour. If I were to look at stats, I would look at who was born here, and who has arrived recently illegally.

No, Japanese culture is not Western culture, however, we know that they are generally a law abiding, respectful cohort of people, and they don't class women as sub-humans.

I guess I would need to split the world's countries into two categories -

A) Countries where women are equal to men and can do everything that men can.

B) Countries where women are treated as a sub human class, have very few rights, and in some cases are not educated, allowed to sing, enter parks, show their faces, go out without a chaperone etc, etc.

Unfortunately, the men who are entering Britain illegally right now tend to come from pot B. This scares the shit out of me, and it would scare me just as much if they were white. This is not a colour thing, it's a culture thing.

So in your view nobody has a culture because they can probably all be traced back to somewhere different?

Nobody has a permanent culture. Culture changes all the time.

But that's just the thing, it isn't my interpretation. It's British culture as according to historians, sociologists, British cultural scholars etc. It has been defined at great length time and again, some people have made it their life's work.
And I very clearly started that no culture is fixed and immutable. I said in an earlier post that is always growing.

Willfully misunderstanding someone is a poor way to try and win a debate, everyone here can see you doing it. My words are right above for all to see. Obviously you have some deep need to believe that there is no traditional British culture in any clear or definable way, and only you can know why it is so important to you to hold on to that fallacy.

I'm sorry, but you're showing your ignorance. There is no single, universally accepted, definitive scholarly account of what constitutes "British culture". Nor has "British culture" remained stable and immutable over time.

There are interpretations, observations and opinions. Points of agreement and points of disagreement. Things which remain stable and things which evolve and change over time. Aspects which are accepted by the majority and aspects that are accepted by smaller groups. Differences shaped by factors such as geography, history, identity and socio-economic class.

You are seeking to massively oversimplify something that is inherently complex. I understand why you want to do that. But it doesn't work.

I think you need to look a little deeper at the Japanese cultural place of women. It's certainly not Afghanistan, but there's a lot of hidden sexism and sexual abuse.