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To think everything will be unrecognisable in 50 years

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CurdinHenry · Today 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

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TemperanceWest · Today 12:01

zoeslim · Today 11:43

Agree I was in Glasgow recently it was not like a Scottish city

In what way?

frozendaisy · Today 12:02

CurdinHenry · Today 11:55

I think people read less and consume films and TV and music less deeply now that phones are a constant psychic nudge. The things that gave us therapy without us realising it have been replaced by tiktok and feeling bad about your car.

Not everyone
We know people working very close with AI systems, interesting conversations.

I was discussing with the teens a book I read on Art&Power - that was fun.
Reading the news reports on how it seems not one Reform MP or counsellor can keep their hatred views under wraps and the excuses disguised as apologies that follow (“few bad apples”) and the possibility I might have to tactically vote Tory next election - is entertaining.

Move your body
Feed your mind

Trottersup · Today 12:04

How about go and do something for your community instead of wanging on about mass immigration. God only knows how many different nationalities live in my road and the only trouble we get is from the white druggies.

Sahara123 · Today 12:05

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · Today 11:52

I'm in Glasgow. It's definitely a Scottish city full of Scottish people

👍

Sahara123 · Today 12:06

CurdinHenry · Today 11:47

The seventies sounded awful I agree. Change might be a great thing it wasn't really a value judgement. It's just that the end point of change is unknowable and thus scary.

Why on earth do you think the 70”s were awful! Yes there were problems, but there always has been, each era has its own challenges but we survived !

bababamama · Today 12:07

Talk to someone who properly remembers the 1970’s , it wasn’t a fun decade with the 3 day week, strikes, energy strikes, houses doubling in cost … As to Glasgow not “feeling” Scottish, I don’t think Glasgow or Edinburgh do feel like the rest of Scotland, never have, they feel like metropolitan cities, they have always absorbed incomers in large numbers who become Scottish by living there. What is Scottish anyway, what is English - personally I’m British, that’s my nationality on my passport (I’m white and family long standing English but I feel British!)

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 12:09

Of course things will look different in 50 years time. It doesn't automatically follow that things will be worse. Change is inevitable, but it is neither inherently bad nor inherently good.

I believe that there is a duty on all of us to try to shape the change in order to make things better. Only time will tell whether or not we can actually do that.

CurdinHenry · Today 12:09

Sahara123 · Today 12:06

Why on earth do you think the 70”s were awful! Yes there were problems, but there always has been, each era has its own challenges but we survived !

Er because of the country being borderline bankrupt, three days weeks, doing homework by candlelight when the power was off.

Didn't sound fab...

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frozendaisy · Today 12:10

CurdinHenry · Today 12:00

I actually think the arrogance of activism can be a really toxic thing. Who cares what I think or want in political terms? I'd rather be a good friend and colleague and acquaintance and passerby in spiritual terms.

I think telling someone to "buy books" as though you know anything about them and assume they're ignorant is very off-putting just in case you need any tips for your activism...

Your original post had overtones of
“new communities”
“not Scottish”

Then bewailed lack of community about tech advancements - but wanted TV as a society reference

Live sport makes people have references
Or big events like Artemis II

Even Celebrity Traitors has excited a lot of people and ignited WhatsApp groups! (A lot of disappointed middle-aged men regarding Hannah Fry) and a lesbian wedding on The Archers

What you reference is all still there except we can now do banking lying on the sofa - win-win

Ponoka7 · Today 12:11

Look OP the only people who can complain about the changing demographics are South Africans. They don't want immigration, so are going house to house and getting rid of them. They are burning trucks etc of businesses who employ immigrants. The rest of us, who have had our governments use punishing benefit legalisation to make us not want children, or rather live in poverty if we do, have just got to get on with things.

CurdinHenry · Today 12:12

bababamama · Today 12:07

Talk to someone who properly remembers the 1970’s , it wasn’t a fun decade with the 3 day week, strikes, energy strikes, houses doubling in cost … As to Glasgow not “feeling” Scottish, I don’t think Glasgow or Edinburgh do feel like the rest of Scotland, never have, they feel like metropolitan cities, they have always absorbed incomers in large numbers who become Scottish by living there. What is Scottish anyway, what is English - personally I’m British, that’s my nationality on my passport (I’m white and family long standing English but I feel British!)

I think in Scotland we've never had to face the feeling of the culture you grew up in ceasing to exist. I wish it had changed in a wealthy still in the EU way rather than an anyone to fill the Brexit gaps way tbh (sorry to be a socio-economic discriminator but there we are).

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Aussiesgettingsmashed · Today 12:17

AI is projected to wipe out humanity by the middle of the next decade so hopefully that puts your mind at rest.

frenchnoodle · Today 12:21

CurdinHenry · Today 11:45

No, we haven't. We are wealthier in material terms than we have ever been. But the slightest hardship is experienced as an intolerable injustice now. (I don't mean this as a criticism as I think I feel the same way - food prices going up feels unbearably stressful yet my grandparents each grew up as a dozen children in two rooms). I don't think there is anything to do but examine ourselves and try to do what we can to make people feel more secure.

The UK isn't weather than it ever has been, it's in debt.

LadyUrsula · Today 12:27

I'm far less worried about changing demographics than I am about the climate crisis, misuse of AI and potential wars.

You ask what we can do as individuals so make sure you find out what every political candidate stands for and then campaign for the best to win. Join groups to influence politicians and do your best to ensure that all the young people you know are aware of issues threatening their future and what they can do about it.

HoppityBun · Today 12:32

The predictions for 2056 are alarming enough and with regular and increasing periods of drought affecting food supplies, there’s going to be a lot going on:

The scenario for 2056 indicates that temperatures could peak at:

  • 45°C in England
  • 41°C in Wales
  • 38°C in Scotland
  • 30°C in Northern Ireland

So looking unrecognisable in 2076 seems to me to be a given

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 12:32

It depends upon what measures of wealth you are using? Yes, we have central heating and hot water, double glazing; most families have cars, tvs/phones and annual holidays so compared to growing up 50 years ago we seem superficially wealthier. But are we?

The NHS is crumbling and people are dying from avoidable illnesses as a result of delayed diagnosis; schools are struggling with large class sizes and lack of resources; our children are getting into considerable debt to get degrees that no longer aid in anyway to get them jobs; there are fewer and fewer jobs for all age groups, but the under 25s especially; and many people have no hope of ever owning their own homes without the benefit of inherited wealth… which is being eroded by care costs in old age.

So, in some respects having an outside loo/bathroom, one central fireplace, no second car or annual holidays are hardly compensation for an education system that equipped you with the skills to enter the workforce, plenty of local work in industry/retail/agriculture and the expectation that an average wage would actually pay for rent, utilities and put food on the table makes many feel very shortchanged. And far from ‘wealthy’ compared to their grandparents.

Aldi99pTofu · Today 12:32

Ah the prophet of doom again.

Flatwhitefiend · Today 12:34

I am also from Glasgow and I find it funny that you’re saying the demographic is only changing now. I feel Glasgow of all the Scottish cities has a history of new demographics coming in. For example my family originally came from Ireland, moved to the Gorbals, then moved out into other areas. Other immigrants also moved into the gorbals and then moved out to other areas e.g. giffnock etc. (or at least that’s always what my granny told me so if there are any Scottish historians to correct me feel free!)

Badbadbunny · Today 12:42

@AnonyMumAuDHD

So, in some respects having an outside loo/bathroom, one central fireplace, no second car or annual holidays are hardly compensation for an education system that equipped you with the skills to enter the workforce, plenty of local work in industry/retail/agriculture and the expectation that an average wage would actually pay for rent, utilities and put food on the table makes many feel very shortchanged. And far from ‘wealthy’ compared to their grandparents.

Nail on the head. Yes, things were hard, but there was hope, opportunities, etc., and people had things to look forward to. Those who wanted to "get on in life" mostly could as the opportunities were accessible for most. Now the younger people have to suffer crap education, crap healthcare, ruinously expensive housing costs, and an ever-shrinking jobs market.

Badbadbunny · Today 12:46

I think the "shrinking World" has had a massive detrimental impact, as well as the obvious benefits.

Like going abroad on holiday. In the 70s' and 80s, you really did think you were in a different World, even in Europe and the Med. Countries were all different, they all had their differences, in terms of shops, food, etc., not just the "big" things like major attractions. Nowadays, they're all the same, the same supermarkets, the same fast food outlets, cafes/restaurants all selling the same types of food regardless of which country you're in. Yes, you won't find the Sagrada Familia in Portugal, but everything else has become standardised/commonised.sa

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Today 12:47

CurdinHenry · Today 11:38

Just thinking about how different the UK was in the 70s and how change is supercharged now by tech and mass migration and the loss of shared cultural reference points in TV and newspapers and radio.

I live in Glasgow and many parts of it are no longer at all Scottish-seeming apart from the old sandstone tenements. What even is Scottish any more? It's hard to imagine Scottish independence being taken up by the new communities. But what's next?

I think human societies are programmed to self destruct every so often in the absence of external numbers control pressures and I think that's what's starting now across Europe. We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

What can we do as individuals, I'm just not sure

YANBU.

There’s this weird kind of view that happiness can be measured by metrics. How many patients did the NHS see last year? What is our GDP? When actually the constant chaos in ensuring these things are met by increasing immigration is decreasing our quality of life overall.

The fact is we’ve imported 5 million immigrants since 2000 and our NHS and economy are still in a poor condition. It isn’t even working but it’s increasing pressure on everything else too.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Today 12:50

Flatwhitefiend · Today 12:34

I am also from Glasgow and I find it funny that you’re saying the demographic is only changing now. I feel Glasgow of all the Scottish cities has a history of new demographics coming in. For example my family originally came from Ireland, moved to the Gorbals, then moved out into other areas. Other immigrants also moved into the gorbals and then moved out to other areas e.g. giffnock etc. (or at least that’s always what my granny told me so if there are any Scottish historians to correct me feel free!)

I find the Scottish attitude that they’re far more open minded and welcoming than the English to be faintly hilarious, because Scotland has a teeny tiny population, a LOT of space, and far fewer immigrants. Of course they have fewer complaints 🤷‍♀️ nothing to do with being better people.

In any event it’s even starting to have ripples there and they’ve already started on the protests, far earlier than England ever did.

OrangeFlower14 · Today 12:50

@Ponoka7 ”The rest of us, who have had our governments use punishing benefit legalisation to make us not want children”

could you explain this please?

shuggles · Today 12:54

@CurdinHenry We have never had it so good in the history of time yet rage flourishes

Delusional. Modern society has made it more difficult than ever to have a partner and a family. Basic essentials for living are prohibitively expensive. There are no jobs. People are unable to fulfill basic career goals and aspirations for a fulfilling life. The health of the general public has gone to shit and life expectancy is decreasing due to air pollution and a broken food supply.

The only perk is that "luxury" items like TVs, computers, and phones are now cheap, but that's a small consolation.

How on earth do we have it better now than ever? Sounds like a completely unhinged thing to say.

PurplePinata · Today 12:55

It worries me so much what Britain will be like in 50 years time. White British people are predicted to be a minority by then. I know there are people who think this is wonderful and others who are indifferent, but a lot of people are genuinely concerned about how this will impact culture, politics, religion, ways of living, womens rights.However they just get branded as racist. I dont think it's irrational to predict that the uk could be governed by a Muslim party in 50 years and the UK officially becoming a Muslim country. It's happened in orher countries where Islam has taken over. I'm so scared for my daughter's future.

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