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DP has invited his ex wife for Christmas dinner and says I’m being petty

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IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

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99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 23:30

IcyPortal · Yesterday 21:36

I have actually got on alright with my ex and we are on good terms but I know for a fact DP wouldnt be happy if I invited him to Christmas dinner without asking first, he would have something to say about it.

I do agree DP hasnt really thought about how much work it is for me either, although I dont want to turn it into tit for tat and invite my ex just to make a point. I just want him to understand its our home and he cant make decisions like this for both of us then call me petty when I say something. If he’d asked me properly in the first place we probably wouldnt even be having this argument.

I would tell him youve invited your ex too, and you’re thinking of inviting a few friends, and he has been taking you for granted. Christmas dinner is a huge workload and he’s decided on the guests and expecting you to deliver, so dinner is cancelled unless he plans to pull his weight. I don’t tolerate hypocrites, if he wants to keep dinner he can provide you with a long list of tasks and which he will do, and don’t forget presents just because he’s cooking or clean something for a change. Tell him next weekend we can go over his list and see if it feels like he expects you to be cook housekeeper slave host while he gets mad at you for expecting a say on the guest list, or if he’s planning to pull his weight. I’d say firmly I’ll happily host my ex and friends if I cancel it on all the family. You and the dcs are still welcome even if you don’t plan to even begin to pull your weight since I’m generous and kind, but I won’t be taken the piss out of.

I would do this, I would not host for this level of selfish entitlement. Why the fuck are you doing most of the work while he is mad at you for wanting to be consulted on the guest list?

BoredZelda · Yesterday 23:34

IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:48

I dont have any bad feelings towards her at all, honestly. If he’d asked me first and explained the situation I probably would have been fine with it. It’s more that he’s just decided and told me afterwards, then when I’ve said I wasnt happy about not being asked he’s called me petty.

If you would have said yes if he asked you, then you are being petty about it.

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 23:36

BoredZelda · Yesterday 23:34

If you would have said yes if he asked you, then you are being petty about it.

No. She's refusing to be taken for granted.

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 23:38

Endorewitch · Yesterday 23:28

That is not helpful. Abd such an overreaction. Of course she is upset .He should have discussed it with her.But to suggest she reconsiders her future i like capital punishment for breaking abd entering an empty house.

He voluntold OP that his ex was coming for one of the big events of the year in their shared home.

I think that's big enough to rethink the whole relationship. He doesn't respect OP's opinion, doesn't feel she should be consulted about events in her own home, and she's expected to go above and beyond because well, he doesn't. He's basically telling her it's his way or he calls her names.

He takes her completely for granted. I don't know about you but anybody who voluntells me gets a big no for an answer. It's extremely disrespectful.

He unfortunately sounds like one of those men who gets a woman to live with to do the work around the home, events included, and likes to play the big man good guy inviting his poor lonely ex while expecting OP to work like a damn dog.

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:39

ReadingSoManyThreads · Yesterday 22:43

Have you heard yourself?

She should "be grateful", she's with a "kindhearted man", she needs to "pull up her big-girl pants", oh yes, let's just tell this woman that she should be grateful that her kindhearted man gives her zero consideration for what goes on in her own home. Yes, she should be so grateful that her kindhearted man argues with her and calls her petty because he's arranged something without discussing it with her first, and is completely dismissive of her feelings. Have a word with yourself.

"and let her know what you'll be cooking" - seriously? Perhaps her DP can "reach out to her" to tell him what HE'LL be cooking.

"but perhaps he didn't because he thought you would say no", yes, so OP should just let her DP walk all over her, because he's a big important man who gets to call all the shots, regardless of what OP's thoughts and views are.

You are exactly the type of person who guilts women into staying with shit men. You condition them to put up with bullshit. Shame on you.

@IcyPortal do you own or rent the new house? I'd seriously be reconsidering the relationship, he doesn't respect or care about you.

Bit of a fairytale you've woven there. Guilts women into putting up with shit men? I'm not sure if you have reading comprehension problems, but I said she should be charitable at Christmas towards someone who's on their own. Yes, he should have discussed it with her, but guess what, life and people aren't perfect all the time.

VERY weird that you extrapolated my opinion on one day to an entire way if being. But if being negative and making up fairy stories about other people's characters and lives, makes you feel good, you carry on. Sounds like a depressing way to be, but that's your look-out.

And btw, OP already said that she is cooking. And I was clear that she should reach out to welcome the woman because currently the invitation has only come from him. Nothing to do with sexism. Put your pitch-fork away. Not everything is about doing women down, you know.

fuchsteufelswild · Yesterday 23:44

IcyPortal · Yesterday 21:36

I have actually got on alright with my ex and we are on good terms but I know for a fact DP wouldnt be happy if I invited him to Christmas dinner without asking first, he would have something to say about it.

I do agree DP hasnt really thought about how much work it is for me either, although I dont want to turn it into tit for tat and invite my ex just to make a point. I just want him to understand its our home and he cant make decisions like this for both of us then call me petty when I say something. If he’d asked me properly in the first place we probably wouldnt even be having this argument.

Even better. Tell him you've always wanted to invite your ex but didn't because you didn't want to ruffle any feathers but now that you know it's ok you did.

Rather than asking him to make a conscious effort to understand, that way you can find out whether he does or not.

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:48

OP, I would seriously be careful of any relationship advice on here. MN is full of people who refuse to see men as human beings and will look for the absolute worst interpretation of everything they do, culminating in always advocating for the end of the relationship. There are some posters on MN who profoundly hate men and do not agree with any woman being in a committed relationship with one. Your DP did a kind-hearted thing and probably didn't discuss it with you because he didn't want to be held back from this charitable act and risk his children not benefiting from the idea. Yes, of course he should have discussed it with you, of course.

To say that you should consider ending the relationship is utterly ridiculous. Just calmly tell him that she's welcome but could he please discuss these things with you first in future, since it affects your Christmas too.

Don't be conned by some of the over-reactive, deeply negative misandrists on here into thinking he's some dreadful terrible person for not wanting the mother of his kids to sit home alone at Christmas. I'm sure that some posters on here delight in ruining relationships. I actually think that MN is the worst website you could choose for relationship advice. It's much better with child stuff, practical stuff, and life/hobby stuff.

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:50

fuchsteufelswild · Yesterday 23:44

Even better. Tell him you've always wanted to invite your ex but didn't because you didn't want to ruffle any feathers but now that you know it's ok you did.

Rather than asking him to make a conscious effort to understand, that way you can find out whether he does or not.

When I read advice like this, I understand why there are so many divorces.

MauveLibrary · Yesterday 23:54

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:39

Bit of a fairytale you've woven there. Guilts women into putting up with shit men? I'm not sure if you have reading comprehension problems, but I said she should be charitable at Christmas towards someone who's on their own. Yes, he should have discussed it with her, but guess what, life and people aren't perfect all the time.

VERY weird that you extrapolated my opinion on one day to an entire way if being. But if being negative and making up fairy stories about other people's characters and lives, makes you feel good, you carry on. Sounds like a depressing way to be, but that's your look-out.

And btw, OP already said that she is cooking. And I was clear that she should reach out to welcome the woman because currently the invitation has only come from him. Nothing to do with sexism. Put your pitch-fork away. Not everything is about doing women down, you know.

Edited

Why does the OP have any obligation to be charitable towards her partners ex wife and why on earth should the OP be obliged to contact the ex wife and extend a warm invitation to her.

The OP may not be comfortable having this woman in her house and she may want to keep the partners ex at arms length. The ex is probably not someone she wants at her family Christmas. The partner has massively overstepped here and failed to respect appropriate boundaries.

aurynne · Today 00:06

PerhapsPerhapsMaybe · Yesterday 19:38

You’re not married and he still thinks of his ex as family. Sorry OP but this man is not committed to you

She will always be family, she is the mother of two of his children!

LBFseBrom · Today 00:08

He should have asked you first but I think it would be a nice thing to do.

fuchsteufelswild · Today 00:14

CrazyMidget · Yesterday 23:50

When I read advice like this, I understand why there are so many divorces.

Asking for a divorce because your partner called out your hypocrisy seems like an overreaction. Having the ex drop by unannounced would be as well.

Asking him how he would feel if she did the same seems fair to me.

Endorewitch · Today 00:14

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 23:38

He voluntold OP that his ex was coming for one of the big events of the year in their shared home.

I think that's big enough to rethink the whole relationship. He doesn't respect OP's opinion, doesn't feel she should be consulted about events in her own home, and she's expected to go above and beyond because well, he doesn't. He's basically telling her it's his way or he calls her names.

He takes her completely for granted. I don't know about you but anybody who voluntells me gets a big no for an answer. It's extremely disrespectful.

He unfortunately sounds like one of those men who gets a woman to live with to do the work around the home, events included, and likes to play the big man good guy inviting his poor lonely ex while expecting OP to work like a damn dog.

Oh dear!Someone has read such a lot into the situation. I wonder if OP agrees with your description of her husband.
If he always behaves kike this,you have a point. But she doesn't suggest he does. And he is thinking of his girls,which OP accepts. Of course he should have talked to her but he likely didn't think. She has the right to feel angry,but I don't think she expected to be told to tbink about leaving him!

SirenScream · Today 00:17

You can call it petty but sometimes a taste of their own medicine is the only way to get the message across,

LostNFoundSV · Today 00:18

YANBU nor are you being in the slightest bit petty. He sounds like a PITA and you sound as though you’re accustomed to having to humble yourself before him. I do hope that I’m wrong but, if I’m not, then please stop letting him treat you so badly, OP x

Joliefolie · Today 00:32

"he should have discussed it with me first, its a decision that affects both of us."

Quite. You know that to be true OP. I think explaining to him that this lack of communication is deeply disrespectful and that he will need to take on the lion's share of Christmas is the best way forward in this particular circumstance. He made a unilateral decision and expected you to carry all the burden of it. If he had shared the idea and talked to you about it and not invited her without your consent, it would have been very different. And so it is for him to carry the consequences of that and to have to do the lion's share of family Christmas work. Unfortunately, he has behaved in a classicaly giant child manner and, as you know, children don't need berating, they need to learn by consequences. He needs to feel the weight of disrespcting you so much and making unilateral decision all the while expecting you to rescue him and gaslighting you when you objected. He needs to be in charge of Christmas. You need to take yourself off out to do relaxing and enjoyable things in the run up to Christmas so you don't get unjustifiably roped into feeling guilty and saving him. He needs to expereince what ti is like to be in charge of Christmas.

5foot5 · Today 00:51

How well do you get on with your ex? If you invited him would he come? Would your kids be excited and happy to have him there? If the answers to these questions are positive then do invite him. How can your "D"P possibly say no.

Also, why are you doing all the work? Start working out how to delegate right now. He doesn't get to sit back and be Mein Host while doing fuck all

Treehorns · Today 01:05

You clearly are the skivvy and as you do it all he expects you to accommodate anyone he asks.

He hasn't the very basic respect of you, to check with you.

Did you move in very quickly with him?
If so, it's a mistake.

He cares more about her than you and assumes you skivving for one more person at Christmas, is no more than you can expect.

You must be quite mad to accept so liitle.
I would be be completely dropping the rope and tell him he can sort out Christmas this year.

3 years and you are the skivvy, madness.
You deserve better.

BoredZelda · Today 01:11

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 23:36

No. She's refusing to be taken for granted.

She can be annoyed he didn’t ask, she can have discussions with him about checking with her first in future, she can have a general discussion about him pulling his weight with the Christmas load. But, if she is saying no, suggesting the woman comes for an hour then goes home to an empty house rather than sitting at their dinner table, when she herself has said it will make little difference to her workload and she would have said yes if he asked, then she is being petty.

WhatsItAllForAnyway · Today 01:13

OP, one year I was heavily pregnant, planning a home birth, had other preschoolers, and my DH came home and announced he had invited guests to stay in the little alcove off our living room for two weeks. Not even family. He was 'just trying to be helpful' he told me. I told him it wasn't helpful to me at all.

I made arrangements to go stay with my parents with the children, birth there if necessary. He would have to do all the cooking, washing, shopping and entertaining involved in having guests. All of a sudden it didn't look so attractive.

"But I've already invited them and they've accepted!" He exclaimed. I told him he'd just have to uninvite them then.

The moral of this story - when the reality of their not thinking hits them, they learn. He's never done anything like that again.

Your DH needs to carry his full load in preparing for Christmas and organising everything. He needs to have to put his money where his mouth is. And you need to invite your ex.

Joliefolie · Today 01:18

@CrazyMidget So in your rant against MN misandry you go to the opposite extreme and tell the OP how kind-hearted her husband is, although "yes of course he should have discussed it with you".

So he should have discussed it with the OP, everyone's agreed, but then this kind-hearted man...
"When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue."

No, the OP does not need to LTB over this, but she also doesn't need to be gaslit into thinking she's being petty in the face of her husband's "kind-hearted", as you describe it, behaviour. He was disrespectful of his wife and doubled down on it when she objected. It's not a LTB situation, of course not, but it is a LTB to step up and sort out Christmas... and also to apologise to his wife for being inconsiderate rather than presenting himself as lovely, nice considerate ex and having a pop at his wife for being "petty". If she lets it just slide, why would it ever stop?

Seasonofthesticks · Today 01:24

As a child from a broken marriage, I loved when my mum invited my dad over on Christmas Day. Usually when his (then current) girlfriend had sacked him off. Try to take your feelings out of it!

nomas · Today 01:56

Seasonofthesticks · Today 01:24

As a child from a broken marriage, I loved when my mum invited my dad over on Christmas Day. Usually when his (then current) girlfriend had sacked him off. Try to take your feelings out of it!

Telling a woman to put herself last? How original.

nomas · Today 01:57

WhatsItAllForAnyway · Today 01:13

OP, one year I was heavily pregnant, planning a home birth, had other preschoolers, and my DH came home and announced he had invited guests to stay in the little alcove off our living room for two weeks. Not even family. He was 'just trying to be helpful' he told me. I told him it wasn't helpful to me at all.

I made arrangements to go stay with my parents with the children, birth there if necessary. He would have to do all the cooking, washing, shopping and entertaining involved in having guests. All of a sudden it didn't look so attractive.

"But I've already invited them and they've accepted!" He exclaimed. I told him he'd just have to uninvite them then.

The moral of this story - when the reality of their not thinking hits them, they learn. He's never done anything like that again.

Your DH needs to carry his full load in preparing for Christmas and organising everything. He needs to have to put his money where his mouth is. And you need to invite your ex.

Excellent approach. Did he disinvite them?

nomas · Today 01:59

Endorewitch · Today 00:14

Oh dear!Someone has read such a lot into the situation. I wonder if OP agrees with your description of her husband.
If he always behaves kike this,you have a point. But she doesn't suggest he does. And he is thinking of his girls,which OP accepts. Of course he should have talked to her but he likely didn't think. She has the right to feel angry,but I don't think she expected to be told to tbink about leaving him!

This is such a cop out. Of course men know the impact of inviting their ex wife to Christmas.

He just didn’t give a shit about OP’s feelings.