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FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

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OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 16:48

Four in five jobs created over the past decade have been taken by migrants.

Of the 3.7million new roles recorded under the PAYE system since 2014, just 734,000 were taken by UK nationals, a think-tank has found.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

The think-tank warned that while employers gained 'unprecedented access to overseas labour', taxpayers have been forced to absorb the cost of millions of Britons being 'written off' and left on benefits.

As the number of migrant workers soared by 2.1million from 2020, the number of people receiving out-of-work benefits across the UK rose by 2.3million.

More than one in four (29 per cent) of the jobs that went to migrant workers from outside Europe were in health and social work.

So much for British jobs for British people!

Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work' or because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants/preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes etc.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

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Enterthewolves · 14/10/2026 17:40

moonraker0 · 14/10/2026 17:38

I knew after reading OP’s post that this thread was going to be mostly others shouting bot. The predictably is getting boring now and it’s a lazy attempt at an answer for when people have no response and want to shut down any opinion that’s different to their own.

What about all the responses providing alternative information? You going to just ignore those?

Anyahyacinth · 14/10/2026 17:41

Lizchaz · 14/10/2026 17:10

How reliable is this as a data source?

About as reliable as the idea stated on here that immigrant workers are permitted to claim benefits 🤦‍♀️

AnnaQuayRules · 14/10/2026 17:41

Given that you're clearly not British, OP, can I ask what job you do? And why you've come to the UK?

titchy · 14/10/2026 17:41

moonraker0 · 14/10/2026 17:38

I knew after reading OP’s post that this thread was going to be mostly others shouting bot. The predictably is getting boring now and it’s a lazy attempt at an answer for when people have no response and want to shut down any opinion that’s different to their own.

Except lots of posters have said why the report and OP’s interpretation is wrong….

I take your point about shouting ‘bot’ though. Although there are a fuck-ton of them these days.

Somerford · 14/10/2026 17:42

OpenScroller · 14/10/2026 16:48

Four in five jobs created over the past decade have been taken by migrants.

Of the 3.7million new roles recorded under the PAYE system since 2014, just 734,000 were taken by UK nationals, a think-tank has found.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

The think-tank warned that while employers gained 'unprecedented access to overseas labour', taxpayers have been forced to absorb the cost of millions of Britons being 'written off' and left on benefits.

As the number of migrant workers soared by 2.1million from 2020, the number of people receiving out-of-work benefits across the UK rose by 2.3million.

More than one in four (29 per cent) of the jobs that went to migrant workers from outside Europe were in health and social work.

So much for British jobs for British people!

Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work' or because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants/preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes etc.

https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/CSJ-State_of_Dependency.pdf

I think those who recognise my username would likely say I'm one of the most right-leaning posters on MN when it comes to the subject of immigration. I'm skeptical about this report though, it sounds absurd.

VioletsTale · 14/10/2026 17:42

TopPocketFind · 14/10/2026 17:37

IPSO ruled repeatedly that this is not what the data says.

The Times has already updated their headline to "Nearly three million foreigners added to UK workforce since 2014" and published a correction

I wonder if OP will amend her title or let it stand as “fact”.

Timeforanothernamechange3 · 14/10/2026 17:43

Look at the aspirations, attendance and behaviour of lots of British teenagers and this is hardly surprising.

GoodkneeBadKnee · 14/10/2026 17:43

As a parent of teens and young adults who have been struggling to get jobs (and I know they are far from the only ones out of their peers), I think it's an important topic for discussion

Do you think that foreigners are likely to be employed ahead of your British kids then? What sort of jobs are your kids applying for.?.

Persephonia1966 · 14/10/2026 17:43

titchy · 14/10/2026 17:38

Exactly!

The report is ADDITIONAL vacancies, and includes a large swathe of jobs in sectors which were (are…) desperately short of workers. It’s not 80% of jobs are given to migrants.

I think for things like prison officers the UK did slack in training/recruiting them for years. The recruitment of already trained officers from overseas made that particular can easier to kick down the road and it's absolutely something that was done knowingly by IDS (now whining about the problem he created).

However, given that we are where we are and training prison officers takes time it would be madness to start reducing prison officers employed from overseas now. What needs to happen is money put into recruitment and training and advertising it as a viable job but the training needs to be good so you wouldn't expect to be able to start filling new jobs with those newly trained workers for another year.

DorsetKnobBiscuit · 14/10/2026 17:43

moonraker0 · 14/10/2026 17:38

I knew after reading OP’s post that this thread was going to be mostly others shouting bot. The predictably is getting boring now and it’s a lazy attempt at an answer for when people have no response and want to shut down any opinion that’s different to their own.

123 posts so far.
Only three calling BOT.

So not mostly posters shouting BOT.

Did you do the 'math' for the report?

PuppyMonkey · 14/10/2026 17:43

So when you were at school, you had double math on a Thursday? I think not. Grin

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 14/10/2026 17:43

Persephonia1966 · 14/10/2026 17:39

There is a mistaken belief that only posh young people with degrees on gap years benefitted from the freedom to work in the EU we had before Brexit. This was categorically not true. I know anecdotes aren't data but I knew people in Germany and the Netherlands in "trades" that came to work from the UK. It's. It just about money, it's also nice as a young person to have the freedom to try out new places etc and since carpenters etc are in demand in most places they had that.

That was an opportunity that young British people had in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s which todays generation of young people don't have. However there is a refusal to believe this is the case. People will insist to you that it's only British people with degrees who wants to work abroad for some reason.

I agree with you - I’ve lived here (NL) for many years and have met all sorts of people doing all sorts of work.
I myself have a degree <preens > and have done office temping, cleaning and waitressing all over the place. So not just career-furthering work the whole time.
For a long time language was the main barrier but that hasn’t been the case since before covid.

Emilesgran · 14/10/2026 17:43

friedaklein · 14/10/2026 17:01

They both work AND claim benefits, thus taking British jobs and draining the economy. The sly muggles!

I've no particular opinion on the subject, but those two things can both be true: for one working adult, there may be several dependants, including elderly parents as well as children.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood attends a meeting of criminal justice agencies following the Golders Green attack on April 30, 2026 (Getty Images)

Gazan family of 18 wins UK refugee status despite asylum rejection - The Jewish Chronicle

The shadow home secretary has warned that immigrants are ‘exploiting human rights laws’ to come to Britain

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/10/2026 17:44

My son in law worked in recruitment for several large warehouses (think Amazon, big online shops etc) until recently. He said that the vast vast majority of applicants were foreign nationals, and that many of the UK nationals that do apply leave pretty quickly as the work is boring, physically taxing and the hours are long. The money is very good as a result.

He thinks that many British young people see the job as beneath them and dont want to do the hard work that it takes to earn the wages.

malefields · 14/10/2026 17:44

I mean…… be a better employee then? What do you want people to say?

Judging by my workplace… there’s a reason for those stats.

Dragonscaledaisy · 14/10/2026 17:44

DorsetKnobBiscuit · 14/10/2026 17:40

Social media is a huge influencer of public opinion.

Where do you think the term influencer comes from?
Why do companies spend billions on social media advertising?

This site is well known to be left wing. People on here literally parrot Labour sound bytes with no critical thinking whatsoever. No one is spending time and effort posting on here in the hope of influencing someone to vote in a particular way. If they actually believe they are, I truly despair.

Anyahyacinth · 14/10/2026 17:44

Douglasmummy · 14/10/2026 17:31

This. It's all very well for degree educated Mumsnetters to virtue signal about how anti racist they are about immigrants but they aren't the ones who are faced with applying for hundreds of jobs at minimum wage that they can't get and are languishing on benefits. Employers want staff that they don't have to bother to train, so drain other countries of their trained staff. The health and care visa was designed to cover a shortfall of 30-50k people. 600, 000 visas were issued due to the botched post Brexit visa system set up by the Johnson government. The rest of these people aren't working in care. They are working in shops, some illegally, deliveroo drivers etc, so they are taking minimum wage jobs in areas like hospitality and retail that young people could be doing to at least get on the ladder of working, or be trained into.

….why though is an immigrant more attractive to employ than a UK citizen? There needs to be a reason to explain your theory?

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 14/10/2026 17:45

Emilesgran · 14/10/2026 17:43

I've no particular opinion on the subject, but those two things can both be true: for one working adult, there may be several dependants, including elderly parents as well as children.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

The thing is that stuff only gets in the paper if it’s unusual or exceptional. Obviously this stuff happens, but if it happened all the time it would be in the magazine/lifestyle section at best.

NovaF · 14/10/2026 17:45

I used to work for an employability charity. We used to source jobs for young people. Despite there being TONNES of jobs in hospitality none of them wanted to apply. They were also really snooty about which retail jobs they would apply for, and despite going through an employability programme so many still expected to walk into a £30K job with no qualifications, they did not get that your first job will not be your only job. The former HR director of Pret said that only 1 in 50 applicants for the jobs were British, and that British people do not see hospitality as a long term career option.

It is appalling that more British people are not in British jobs, I would be so interested in knowing what the applicant proportion of british born vs migrant applicants is.

Monty36 · 14/10/2026 17:46

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/10/2026 17:44

My son in law worked in recruitment for several large warehouses (think Amazon, big online shops etc) until recently. He said that the vast vast majority of applicants were foreign nationals, and that many of the UK nationals that do apply leave pretty quickly as the work is boring, physically taxing and the hours are long. The money is very good as a result.

He thinks that many British young people see the job as beneath them and dont want to do the hard work that it takes to earn the wages.

To recruit in large numbers the employer would be a sponsor and proactively advertise what would be a modest job overseas.

malefields · 14/10/2026 17:46

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/10/2026 17:44

My son in law worked in recruitment for several large warehouses (think Amazon, big online shops etc) until recently. He said that the vast vast majority of applicants were foreign nationals, and that many of the UK nationals that do apply leave pretty quickly as the work is boring, physically taxing and the hours are long. The money is very good as a result.

He thinks that many British young people see the job as beneath them and dont want to do the hard work that it takes to earn the wages.

We have the same problem at our workplace and the hiring person is someone with a bleeding heart for unemployed white men, so trust that if he could get them to stay, he would. They just don’t.

malefields · 14/10/2026 17:47

Dragonscaledaisy · 14/10/2026 17:44

This site is well known to be left wing. People on here literally parrot Labour sound bytes with no critical thinking whatsoever. No one is spending time and effort posting on here in the hope of influencing someone to vote in a particular way. If they actually believe they are, I truly despair.

MN? Left wing? Where?

PumpkinSeasonIsHere · 14/10/2026 17:47

Anyahyacinth · 14/10/2026 17:44

….why though is an immigrant more attractive to employ than a UK citizen? There needs to be a reason to explain your theory?

I’m guessing, ok?
Some employers from overseas might prefer to employ people with the same language/from the same culture
Unscrupulous employers might prefer people who are more vulnerable (ie would have to move if they can’t keep their job)
There has always been a shortage of carers as it’s hard, poorly paid, thankless work - there probably is a legitimate shortage of
locals to do it

Monty36 · 14/10/2026 17:48

NovaF · 14/10/2026 17:45

I used to work for an employability charity. We used to source jobs for young people. Despite there being TONNES of jobs in hospitality none of them wanted to apply. They were also really snooty about which retail jobs they would apply for, and despite going through an employability programme so many still expected to walk into a £30K job with no qualifications, they did not get that your first job will not be your only job. The former HR director of Pret said that only 1 in 50 applicants for the jobs were British, and that British people do not see hospitality as a long term career option.

It is appalling that more British people are not in British jobs, I would be so interested in knowing what the applicant proportion of british born vs migrant applicants is.

There is a concern that the volume of overseas employees in all sorts of often poorer countries ( not always), drains many countries of the very people those countries need. Leading in turn to additional problems they may have.

GoodkneeBadKnee · 14/10/2026 17:48

malefields · 14/10/2026 17:47

MN? Left wing? Where?

Has me wondering too!