FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

I can only find Iain's report in today's right wing media Telegraph, GBNews etc.

How do they get visas then? Because employers need to prove that if they don’t already have the right to work.

Not saying you are a bot, but there are plenty of bots targeting Mumsnet because it has a large audience.

You seem angry we don't agree with you?

The report bases that claim on "it's own analysis" of the statistics found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-payrolled-employments-by-nationality-region-industry-age-and-sex-from-july-2014-to-december-2025/uk-payrolled-employments-by-nationality-region-industry-age-and-sex-from-july-2014-to-december-2025. That's the specific set of stats they reference.

However, while I do think there are concerning things in the report (the number of UK nationals in employment rose after COVID to post COVID levels but then fell again) I can't see how they got the 4/5 statistic at all. I am not saying it is wrong just that I can't see their working there at all. You would have, on the face of it, to make a lot of convenient assumptions to make that stat fit.

It would be good if someone more knowledgeable could figure out the maths

Also worth noting in the above report is that wages for non-UK nationals (both non-EU and EU) have risen slightly faster than for UK citizens. This isn't that surprising since the new working visa rules brought in by the Conservatives had a threshold income for people coming to the UK, and Labour raised it by more. So you would expect that to filter out some of the lower wages. However I do agree that people having to live in HMOs, be underpaid is a problem. But then we need to accept paying jobs like carers and prison staff more (and crucially providing good quality free training and career paths. But that costs money).

"You do the math" is one of those unwanted immigrant phrases from the USA. Along with Americanised mangling of the pronunciation of words such as "advertisement" and "privacy". Be-gone, back to where you came from, and take all the pumpkin spice nonsense with you too.

This is the reason, if you are from a poorer country our shit jobs are a step up in the world.

i have to confess to not understanding what “new jobs” or “jobs created” means. Presumably this isn’t replacing individual staff who move on (so for example in existing caring roles) so does it mean new industries/ new employers / expansions? If so is there something about those jobs which mean they are more likely to be filled by those from abroad - for example AI jobs being filled by people from countries which have more AI industry.

Or does new jobs simply mean anything advertised?

Mumsnet also has absolutely zero influence.

I've just emailed Tim Harford at BBC More or Less to see if they can make a bit more sense of what on the surface seems like a very strange statistic. Can't imagine I'll be the only listener who's sent this one in.

Ha, my favourite response so far.

There was a factory that I knew of ( through work) in 2004/5 that did replace all theirstaff with polish workers Jobs weren't advertised in the UK. Same as many farm workers

The Employer applies to become a Sponsor. Able to recruit overseas workers.
The Home office website will explain. Once a Sponsor they have to meet requirements but can then ‘endorse’ an overseas worker to come. They then issue a Certificate of Sponsorship and there you are.

The 4 out of 5 number has been pulled together by looking at the net increase in jobs which is misleading.

In 2014 UK nationals held 88% of jobs and by 2025 that had dropped to 80%. So the non UK share has increased but saying they’ve had 4 out of 5 jobs is obviously ridiculous.

This. It's all very well for degree educated Mumsnetters to virtue signal about how anti racist they are about immigrants but they aren't the ones who are faced with applying for hundreds of jobs at minimum wage that they can't get and are languishing on benefits. Employers want staff that they don't have to bother to train, so drain other countries of their trained staff. The health and care visa was designed to cover a shortfall of 30-50k people. 600, 000 visas were issued due to the botched post Brexit visa system set up by the Johnson government. The rest of these people aren't working in care. They are working in shops, some illegally, deliveroo drivers etc, so they are taking minimum wage jobs in areas like hospitality and retail that young people could be doing to at least get on the ladder of working, or be trained into.

There’s a very good reason why it’s hard to find people for traditionally female tasks like caring, cleaning, nursing and even teaching.

We moved to a points based immigration system where the government would identify roles on which there was a shortage and then make it easier/possible to get a visa for those jobs rather than an employer having to request visas. Also there was a minimum income requirement.
This was something that the right wing press really wanted at the time. There was much talk of having an "Australian style points based system" and how Brexit would make this possible. I said at the time that a "points based" system would potentially benefit employers but reduce the incentive for employers/government to spend money training young people or raising wages. (It does make sense for seasonal farm work TBF).
However, we had Brexit, we got the Australian points based system. People still complain that there is too much immigration and we need an Australian style points based system. Sigh.

But the 8 million people on MN vote.

It's a way of contacting a lot of people though.

This really isn’t very surprising given that we have government schemes aimed at encouraging people to come here from overseas to fill roles across sectors like care, medicine and agriculture.

I think you need better sources OP, call me a cynic but I feel you’ve been sent to stir hate not for a reasonable discussion .

So it's an employer problem then? Is that what you are saying?

Not only IDS but a Tim "too far right for reform" Montgomerie "impartial" study.

Foreign workers definitely prop up the NHS. Ageing gammons still believe the rot they are fed by the daily mail.