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To want to completely change what my DC eat even when DH thinks I’m making a fuss?

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boltmelon · Yesterday 12:53

Namechanged because I’m embarrassed tbh and don’t really want anyone who knows me recognising this. I’ve got 3 boys, ds1 is 5 and has just started reception, ds2 is 2 and ds3 is 2 months old. I’ve realised our diet has got really quite bad and I’ve got to the point where I want to properly change what we all eat. Not put the older boys on diets or anything like that, just actually eat better food as a family. DH thinks I’m making a massive fuss about something that isn’t really a problem and I’m not sure if I am.

Our diet has never been amazing tbh. Before children we ate a lot of takeaways and convenience stuff and when ds1 was born I did try to improve things but gradually just got into the easiest routine again. This summer has been particularly bad since ds3 was born in July. I’ve had a newborn, a 2 year old, ds1 off school, it’s been hot and DH has been at home as well and I’ve been absolutely knackered. Food has basically become whatever gets everyone fed with the least amount of effort. I know I’m responsible for a lot of it because I’m the one who shops and cooks.

DH isn’t working at the moment after being sacked from his job earlier this year, although he’s taking it through an employment tribunal so that’s been going on too. He’s home a lot but doesn’t really cook. He’s never made a proper family meal from scratch tbh. He’ll put frozen stuff in the oven or do toast or order a takeaway but that’s about it. His own diet has always been pretty poor as well, lots of snacks and takeaways and stuff. I do wonder sometimes if the boys have just picked up all of this from him as he’ll happily eat chips and nuggets with them and say it’s fine.

Ds1 has just started reception and I’ve started noticing how much more solidly built he is than some of the boys in his class. He’s also quite short so his school trousers are already getting tight round the waist but if I go up a size they are ridiculously long. I’m not saying he’s obese or anything like that and I absolutely do not want to put a 5 year old on a diet. He does PE, plays outside at school, rides his scooter and we go to the park/soft play etc, we’re just not a particularly sporty family. It’s more that I’ve started thinking about where this is heading if we carry on eating the same way, rather than thinking he needs to lose weight now.

The thing that really made me stop and think was the dentist this week. Both of the older boys has cavities or early decay and I felt absolutely awful about it because I know their diet hasn’t helped. DH basically said they’re baby teeth anyway and they’ll fall out. I know they will obviously but that doesn’t mean I want them having fillings or decay at 5 and 2. It’s made me think we need a family reset rather than just carrying on because it’s easier. I’m thinking proper meals, more veg, less constant snacking, water instead of squash most of the time, fewer biscuits/crisps and takeaways less often. I’m not talking about counting calories or anything like that.

Yesterday was actually fairly normal for us which is probably why I’m embarrassed writing it down. Ds1 had 2 slices white toast with butter, then chocolate cereal because apparently the toast wasn’t enough, and a small glass of apple juice. At school he had chicken nuggets, chips and beans, chocolate mousse and water. After school he had crisps, 2 chocolate biscuits and squash. For dinner I made fish and chips at home, battered fish, oven chips and mushy peas rather than getting a takeaway. He refused the fish and peas, ate loads of chips with ketchup then later had a yoghurt and 2 biscuits. Ds2 had chocolate cereal and whole milk, banana, then a cheese sandwich on white bread, crisps and yoghurt. He had grapes and 2 biscuits later.

For dinner ds2 also refused the fish and peas, ate some chips and ketchup then asked for toast. I gave him toast because I didn’t want him going to bed hungry. I’m trying not to automatically make a replacement meal every time they refuse something because otherwise I feel like they’ll never eat anything different, but DH thinks I’m being ridiculous and turning dinner into a battle. He says if they don’t want fish then just give them something they will eat. He also says they’ve always eaten like this and I’m suddenly acting like there’s some huge problem.

The frustrating thing is that I’m the one doing all the food. I’m the one buying fruit that gets ignored, buying vegetables that end up going in the bin and making toast when dinner gets refused. DH is quite happy to criticise the new meals but he’s never actually cooked one. He says I’ve become “food police” and that I’m stressed and sleep deprived and looking for something else to worry about. I don’t think I’m asking him to suddenly diet or never have chips again. I just want him to stop undermining it when I’m trying to change things for all of us, especially when I’m the one who has to actually make the changes happen.

What I want to do isn’t even particularly exciting. Breakfast could be porridge or eggs or toast with fruit rather than chocolate cereal every day. Water or milk as normal drinks, fruit available between meals, one family dinner rather than 2 or 3 alternatives. Some freezer meals obviously because I have a newborn and I’m not pretending I’m going to make everything from scratch. Takeaway maybe once a week rather than several times, sweets and biscuits still allowed but not constantly available, and more dinners with vegetables. I know this sounds incredibly basic and that’s partly why I feel stupid even posting it. I’ve somehow got to the stage where I need to deliberately plan to do what I feel like we should have been doing anyway.

DH thinks I’m overreacting because ds1 is only 5 and ds2 is 2, they’re active enough, they’re growing and children are supposed to have treats. He keeps saying the baby teeth argument means nothing because they fall out anyway. I’m not trying to make them thin and I don’t want them thinking food is something they should feel guilty about. I just don’t want them growing up thinking dinner means chips/nuggets/pizza and that refusing something automatically gets you toast or biscuits instead. But I also know I’m the one who has cooked all this stuff and let the routine get like this, so I’m hardly in a position to blame DH for everything. AIBU to want to completely change what my DC eat when DH thinks I’m making a fuss?

OP posts:
nutbrownhare15 · Yesterday 17:08

boltmelon · Yesterday 15:30

He is waiting for the tribunal tbh, he believes it was a wrongful sacking and is taking it through that rather than just accepting what happened. He has been looking for work as well but the tribunal is definitely taking up a lot of his attention at the moment.

I do accept that I’m to blame as well, I’m not trying to pretend otherwise. I’ve been the one buying and cooking most of this food and I’ve allowed it to become normal. I think part of the problem with DH is how he was brought up. He chose what he wanted to eat even when he was really young and had basically free access to snacks and fizzy drinks. His mum rarely bought fruit either, so I think he genuinely doesn’t see anything particularly wrong with how he eats or what the boys eat. It’s just normal to him.

I don’t know where ds1 is on the BMI percentile scale, I’ve never checked it. He is short for his age though which is making the clothes thing difficult because they’re getting tight round his waist but the next size is too long. He also often asks for a second breakfast, like if he’s had toast he’ll ask for cereal afterwards or more toast because he’s still hungry. If I say no he’ll complain the whole way to school that he’s hungry and I don’t want to look like I’ve not fed him in front of the other parents or his teacher. So I’ve tended to just give him something rather than have that battle first thing.

If mine say they are hungry and I don't think they need any more food I say they can have fruit. This would work for breakfast time.

Gatehouse77 · Yesterday 17:12

I can totally understand your frustration as your battle is not just with the children!

Would menu planning help?

I’m not suggesting this for now with such a young baby but once they’re sleeping regularly 7-11pm I would do some batch cooking/baking/prep.

Things like shepherds pie or bolognaise where you can hide vegetables by blitzing them to in with the tomatoes.
Prepping homemade fish fingers/chicken nuggets to go in the freezer.
Baking cakes (I put slices in cling film in the freezer for packed lunches but it could be for after school snacks) or biscuits (same for freezing).

It’s a lot of effort up front but it does make other scenarios much easier.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · Yesterday 17:13

OP you need to get your dh on side that until he finds a new job, you need to stop the regular takeaways to save money.

Buy hummus and have carrot sticks and cucumber ready to go in your fridge, that’s the only alternative your dcs get to their dinner. If they turn their noses up, they aren’t actually hungry, it’s ok for them to miss a meal now and then to learn you mean it about eating real food.

Chocolate and crisps are for people who have eaten their whole dinner and are still hungry.

I agree with the veg sticks or grapes being given before dinner when dcs are hungry.

maggisimpson · Yesterday 17:14

FancyBiscuitsLevel · Yesterday 17:13

OP you need to get your dh on side that until he finds a new job, you need to stop the regular takeaways to save money.

Buy hummus and have carrot sticks and cucumber ready to go in your fridge, that’s the only alternative your dcs get to their dinner. If they turn their noses up, they aren’t actually hungry, it’s ok for them to miss a meal now and then to learn you mean it about eating real food.

Chocolate and crisps are for people who have eaten their whole dinner and are still hungry.

I agree with the veg sticks or grapes being given before dinner when dcs are hungry.

I don't think the OP wants to encourage overeating to get crisps and chocolate - she's already concerned about the children's weight.

AmnesiacDream · Yesterday 17:18

You're doing the right thing, OP and I don't think a poor diet on its own is neglectful, though it's obviously not the best. I see why your DH is coming in for a lot of criticism beyond his opinion on food, but I'm guessing that's not really too helpful for you either.

It's hard to deal with differing views on diet. Hard even when you're just a couple. Very hard when children are involved. What sorts of things convince him? What is he scared of as he gets older? Would the new evidence on dementia have an impact? Would the diet of stars he admires influence him? Would he be amenable to just going along with it because even if he thinks it's you making a fuss, he loves you enough to give you this? (tbh it's a bit worrying if that last one won't work, but probably a longer term issue given the ages of your kids). I would try and find what will convince him to at least go along with keeping the junk away from the kids during, maybe with a "free" day on Sunday or something.

But even if he thinks you're making a fuss, you're the one who's cooking, so you can do it anyway, and do your best to put junk away and out of their reach most of the time.

Changing to healthy eating can be a bit expensive if they keep refusing the healthy stuff, but if you can afford it, try and keep fruit and other health and fresh food available.

I think you do need a bit of a focus on breakfast because it's what sets them up for the rest of the day. If they're running on empty from the start, they're going to crave carbs all the way through the day. Probably important for you too. Easy breakfasts are crucial though. And sometimes something you can eat on the go.

Egg bites (that you can batch make and freeze, then pop in the microwave) and smoothies have been quick hits in our household. Yoghurt is easy and better than plain toast. Cheese toastie (sprouted grain bread, proper cheese) would also be a relatively quick upgrade to the toast approach. Porridge only takes a few minutes more to make than a bowl of chocolate cereal (one of mine just wouldn't eat it unless it was covered in sugar though!). A pot of cheese cubes or cooked chicken and grapes often came with us on the walk to school. When you have more time, whole wheat flour savoury pancakes can be a treat that isn't sugary.

Good luck with it, OP. A good diet is a real gift to kids. We're learning more and more every day just how much convenience foods and poor diets screw us over long term.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · Yesterday 17:18

maggisimpson · Yesterday 17:14

I don't think the OP wants to encourage overeating to get crisps and chocolate - she's already concerned about the children's weight.

No but banning them completely when her dh is buying /eating them is setting this up to fail. Much easier to get her dh to agree chocolate and crisps don’t come out before dinner, are a “dessert” and only if a child has eaten their dinner.

Treat food has a place, but it’s as a post healthy meal dessert, not instead of a healthy meal.

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 17:24

Flipping heck of course you are not overreacting. You are quite right to notice things need shaking up. Your children’s health is suffering already and you must turn it round.
Neither of you are working right now so this needs to be a team effort. Throw out the crap and don’t buy anymore.

OffTheMap · Yesterday 17:24

I am sorry your DH is undermining you so badly and fighting you on this.

Is he like this over lots of things? Does he just not understand food and nutrition , or does he feel unable to cook himself (lacks skills) so criticises those who do?

Who does the main shopping?

I think all you can do is just get on with doing things your new way and don’t really announce it. Avoid having the freezer full of nuggets and chips as much as you can, batch cook things like bolognese sauce and freeze in individual portions for instant use.

If they will eat porridge have that. (Actual porridge, not the sweetened flavoured instant kind) with some frozen blueberries (buried treasure!) and don’t keep chocolate cereal in the house.

Get him out of the house - off to the park with baby in pram and the toddler, so you can cook - and maybe at weekends cook with your 5 year old? 5 year olds love things like mashing potato and whisking eggs for scrambled eggs or omelette.

It must be hard, with your DH off work, and I am surprised he thinks takeaways are a good use of limited money.

Basically he is bringing a knob but it’s hard to address that. Just offer fresh healthy food as if it is as normal as nuggets.

Gobbledegoo · Yesterday 17:28

Oldie here: Make a large pan of ratatouille (sort of): Aubergine cut up smallish salted and left in a strainer; cut up a couple of courgettes similar size to aubergine; slice up some peppers. Peel and squash a clove of garlic and put in a pan with some cheap olive oil and an onion (or 2) peeled and cut small. Fry onion and garlic lightly, wash aubergine (squeeze a little to dry) and put in pan with onion, then add other veg and some tinned chopped tomatoes. Add mixed dried herbs to taste, pepper, maybe some celery or other veg not leafy. Cook for about 30 mins. You can chill in pan and leave in fridge (use within 5 days) or freeze in meal size packs. Use as you want. Add chickpeas/red beans or add mince for a bolognaise with pasta. Or with chicken nuggets etc!

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · Yesterday 17:30

2 slices white toast with butter - sugar, fat
chocolate cereal - sugar
small glass of apple juice - sugar
chicken nuggets - fatty coating
chips and beans - fried
chocolate mousse - sugar
crisps - fatty
2 chocolate biscuits - sugar
squash - sugar
loads of chips with ketchup - fatty, sugar
yoghurt
2 biscuits - sugar.

OP all your kid had today was fatty and sugary. No wonder he has cavities.

Stop with the white bread, sugary cereal, crisps and biscuits. Your child had four chocolate biscuits and crisps for snacks in one day!

You need to stop blaming exhaustion, business etc. carrots and hummus are a healthy snack and take no time to put out.

Your very young children should not be having fizzy drinks.

Where is the nutrition?

Mere1 · Yesterday 17:31

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 13:03

Firstly, well done for recognising this needs to change. It absolutely does. Your husband is an utterly terrible parent, who frankly is bordering on neglect of his children. Your suggestions aren’t ’a diet’, it’s just food rather than completely processed crap which has zero nutritional value. It isn’t just about their weight, their behaviour and ability to learn is massively affected by not having a single morsel of nutrition. Also, your dh is a fool about the teeth - it surely is obvious it isn’t just affect their actual teeth, but also their gums and mouth health. If he can’t get a job, and he also can’t parent, I guess it’s a difficult decision to make for the two of you to switch roles and you be the earner.

Whole heartedly agree.

GameOfJones · Yesterday 17:36

I'm quite shocked by a father saying it doesn't matter if his young children have cavities because they're only baby teeth. I do think that's pretty neglectful I'm sorry to say.

It is good you have recognised there is a problem because there clearly is and I agree with you that you're setting them up to fail if you carry on down this path. Your DH is resisting it because it shines a light on his own poor diet and he's feeling defensive. If nothing else how much are all these takeaways costing if he's not even working? It must be costing you both a fortune!

I do think there's a balance to be had but we aim for 80% whole food and I don't worry about the other 20%. As an example my young DDs have today eaten porridge with cinnamon and chopped plum for breakfast, we went to a café this morning and they had a danish pastry there then played on the park, lunch was cheese on toast (homemade seeded bread) and tomatoes, dinner is homemade beef and broccoli with rice. Desserts are fruit or yoghurt with no added sugar.

For some simple swaps..... Little Stars nuggets at Tesco in the frozen aisle are no junk and the chicken is blended with hidden veg. You can make cookies just by mashing bananas and adding oats and cinnamon or sesame seeds if you want them.

Daftypants · Yesterday 17:39

This is making me really cross , you have 2 tiny children and one who is still just a little boy !
Husband needs to step up and do some of the cooking or more of the chores , you have enough on your plate .
The dental issues do matter , some of that will be down to incorrect brushing and some will be because of the sugar , especially the juice and squash to drink.
Cut right back on sugary drinks especially.
There are loads of easy or quick dinner suggestions on here already .
Breakfast can be Oatibix or Weetabix , plain yogurt and fruit , toast and eggs .

MajorSideEye · Yesterday 17:39

Boltmelon please please don’t feel stupid. You run yourself down a lot in your OP.

I assume this was the diet you were brought up on and are just continuing. BUT you’ve had a wake up call with the dentist and instead of shrugging your shoulders, you’re actually trying to change. That’s amazing! You should be proud of yourself!!

It looks like you’re not winning this “battle” with your OH though which must be upsetting.

Have you tried going about it another way? Looking at all the money you as a family are “wasting” on takeaways. I mean that must taking a HUGE whack of your income, which I assume isn’t that much to begin with, if neither of you are working. Maybe your OH might be a bit more agreeable to diet changes if it means you have more money?

Keep battling OP, this will make a huge difference to your children’s lives and future health.

Rainallnight · Yesterday 17:39

Would he take advice from anyone else, like the health visitor or the GP?

Stickywhitelovepiss · Yesterday 17:47

Read 'Ultra Processed People' by Chris van Tulleken, and have your partner do the same. If that doesn't do it for you both, nothing will.

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

Rainallnight · Yesterday 17:39

Would he take advice from anyone else, like the health visitor or the GP?

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

OP posts:
grinandslothit · Yesterday 18:03

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Does he go to the dentist or GP himself for checkups?

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 18:04

Have you ever considered leaving him op? From what you’ve said he doesn’t bring anything positive at all to your childrens lives but maybe there’s stuff you haven’t said?

Lmnop22 · Yesterday 18:08

When i was trying to make healthier meals for my kids, we tried to eat a different colour vegetable every tea time and they got excited about it and would eat them. And vegetables are pretty easy if you just buy them frozen as you don’t have them going bad before you’ve eaten the whole pack. Carrots, sweetcorn, broccoli, tomato, beetroot, cauliflower, aubergine etc all different colours and easy enough to prepare!

Lmnop22 · Yesterday 18:09

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Is your DH obese? He may be worried that if you’re eating healthily that he will have to and that might cause him genuine anxiety if he’s additcted to takeaways and junk

Sirzy · Yesterday 18:12

The first change I would make is stop buying chocolate cereal. That is one product I would happily ban nobody needs that much sugar at breakfast.

make small changes each week rather than trying to overhaul everything at once

theblame · Yesterday 18:13

If you want meal ideas, amy sheppard on Instagram is good, she also has two cook books
i like dontgobaconmyheart as well, his cookbook is called comfy and his website is great

LucyBrownCow · Yesterday 18:13

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

One of those, is he? Thinks he knows better than anyone else, including experts in the field. Ugh. People like that are among the most irritating in the world.

I can't imagine that he is particularly healthy himself, if he lives on takeaways, beige food, biscuits, and crisps. And leads a sedentary existence as well. As an adult, he really can't blame the way he grew up either. Children are at the mercy of the food their parents give them. But adults can choose a different path, as you are trying to do @boltmelon

When will your maternity leave end? I hope by that time your DH will be back at work. If he ends up being the sole parent at home, he will probably undo any positive changes you make with your children's diet.

maggisimpson · Yesterday 18:21

boltmelon · Yesterday 17:53

He wouldn’t really listen to the health visitor or GP tbh. He’s rejected things the HV has said before and basically just ignores advice if he doesn’t agree with it. I will say some of the advice she gave us about ds2 wasn’t particularly helpful either, especially around his sleep and reflux, so I can understand why he didn’t take everything she said seriously, but it’s more than just that. He tends to just decide he knows best and carries on doing what he wants anyway. I’ve tried saying that even if you don’t agree with all of the advice, you can’t just ignore all of it, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

Can you say to him, 'look darling, I know this might be pointless or overkill but it's really, really important to me that the children's diet is different. Even though you don't agree, please could you just support me on this to make me happy?'

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