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Friend's dog bit a child, whose fault?

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karrabee · Yesterday 09:43

Dog was on a lead, probably 1.5 metres ahead. Family of 2 adults and 2 children walking past in opposite direction. Children probably 4 and 8? As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog and put her hand on his head (flat palm almost like she was hitting him but I think she was trying to pat him on the head) and he nipped her. We were passing each other on a path in a park so were quite close already. Had zero time to do anything as from her walking past to touching him happened in about 1.5 seconds. We had no interaction with the other family prior to this. Dog has never bitten before, we think he just got a fright from the girl, but the family went mad and started threatening to call the police saying we have a dangerous dog (he's am old staffy who has never bitten once and we were so shocked that he even nipped her as he is extremely gentle!). Family followed us round the park and kept shouting 'we know where you live, police are going to be well aware of you'. The girl wasn't injured, skin wasn't broken, but she was obviously scared. Surely this is the fault of the family for not teaching their children not to touch dogs? I don't have a dog so haven't really had to think about it before, but my son knows not to touch dogs without confirming with the owner that they're friendly. It is drilled into him!

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Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · Yesterday 09:46

The dcs dps fault.

Personally I'd forget the whole thing.

My huge ddog nipped dd.

When she ran over her paw in skates...
Told dd I would have done the same !

NancyThompson · Yesterday 09:47

The dog got a startle and warned the child with a nip - if it had wanted to, it could have bitten her hand off so it's clearly not aggressive.

MrsLFii · Yesterday 09:48

Definitely not the dogs fault. It’s the parents responsibility to make sure their small child doesn’t slap pat random dogs without asking.

MerylSqueak · Yesterday 09:49

I taught my children from a young age not to touch other people's dogs without having been invited to. I think it was the girl's parents' fault.

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Yesterday 09:49

Parents need to ask owners if children can stroke their dogs. And then teach them how to stroke a dog.

The parents are at fault.

SoThatsTheWayItIs · Yesterday 09:50

Dogs and children are an unpredictable mix. My dog has never bitten but in such circumstance I would always move him to be on my inside and away from passers-by and with no slack on the lead.

Fault on both sides but not on the dog’s fault. Parents should teach children not to approach but owners need to be aware protect their dogs from unexpected approaches.

Hankunamatata · Yesterday 09:51

Well girls fault for touching dog.

Have to say Im not a fan of extended leads when there are kids around in parks as its hard to stop situations like this (i know you shouldnt have to but people are idiots)

OhBotherSaidPoo · Yesterday 09:52

The girl was at fault and so were her parents.

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 09:53

I think it's on all the adults to do better - the parent should not have let the child touch the dog, and the dog owner should have had the dog closer than 1.5m when passing young children.

FuzzyBumbleeBee · Yesterday 09:53

Both party's are in the wrong

When passing people the dog should have been on a short lead 1.5m is not short there is no real control there
Anything could happen as has been proven
A short lead the dog could have been pulled away easily when it was obvious the child was reaching for the dog

The child should not be approaching strange dogs or touching them and the parents should have reminded the child as it's still young when walking towards the dog if they know it grabs at strange dogs often

Unfortunately if the dog has snapped it may be in their best interests to muzzle on walks from now on as a precaution
You never know if they have the start of a painful ear infection which could have caused the reaction but better safe than sorry

SpottyPyjama · Yesterday 09:53

The Parents of the touchy child should have taught their children not to touch random dogs like that.

Most dog owners are very accommodating when parents try to teach their children how to safely interact with dogs.

SoThatsTheWayItIs · Yesterday 09:54

I missed the bit about being in 1.5 meter lead. Irresponsible of your friend I’m afraid when passing by on a narrow path.

shiverm · Yesterday 09:55

i mean dog being on lead and presumably didn’t have the slack to approach the kid, and was able to be pulled back… I’m actually not a big dog fan in general (though love specific certain dogs) but I’d say not your fault. What more could you do? Not being a dog in general fan I’d teach wariness to my child even if inadvertently. That being said, not the fault of the child or child’s owners (jk) either. The dog was the one who bit. But very aggressive of them to follow you about. I’d be furious if my child got bit, but would I want to intimidate the (I can only hope) apologetic dog’s owner? Certainly not.

whats the phrase, ‘once bitten, twice shy’? Hopefully dog and child have learned a lesson.

Gizlotsmum · Yesterday 09:55

Bit of both, girl should not have pet dog without permission but I would have had my dog closer to me when passing people

MrsLFii · Yesterday 09:56

I admit I missed the dog was on a long (extendable?) lead. That can’t happen again where there are to be strangers, particularly children, around, now this has happened. In an ideal world, people wouldn’t touch a random dog unasked but it’s not an ideal world and, regardless of blame, I wouldn’t want my dog to injure someone.

byedriver · Yesterday 09:56

Two things. Dog walker needs to be more proactive around keeping dog away from oncoming children (as already suggested keep to side on short leash). And secondly, this dog now needs to be muzzled when out. The outside world is unpredictable. If a dog is reactive when startled it's a problem, especially a dog with a powerful jaw like a staffy.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 09:57

To a dog a hand coming towards their head can feel aggressive. Obviously the little girl is too young to know that. But her parents should not have let her run ahead,

Ponoka7 · Yesterday 10:02

50/50, as said. When you're passing people the dog and children under 5 should be by you. From that far away you couldn't intercept a dog off a lead running over. It protects the dog, especially breeds like a Staffie, who can give as good, if not better than they get. It used to scare me when a small, unleashed dog, would go for my GS, because my dog would be blamed if he killed the other dog.

Balloonhearts · Yesterday 10:05

Parents of the child. Running up behind an unknown dog and donking it on the head is pretty much going to guarantee it snaps at you. I mean, I'd do the same if some random smacked me on the head.

Glesgalass · Yesterday 10:10

Fault on both sides, though it could be argued a dog on a 1.5m lead is not under control. The parent should have taught their child not to approach strangers dogs and your friend should have had the dog on a short lead.

Barney16 · Yesterday 10:10

The child shouldn't have touched the dog. The dog shouldn't have been on a long lead.

Goinggreymammy · Yesterday 10:14

Both parents and owners at fault.
The girl should have been taught to ask permission and how to stroke an animal safely. The owner shouldn't have a dog on a long leash on a narrow path. So an accident happened. Accidents happen. The aftermath could have been handled better ...
Your friend should have apologised for the dog, explained he was startled, and asked if the girl was OK. Advise to ask before petting. Say they will keep dog on shorter leash in path in future.
The parents should have apologised for their child startling the dog, a d been understanding, not following people about the park shouting.

Happytaytos · Yesterday 10:17

Both.

Dog needs muzzling now as it has bitten once.

grumpygrape · Yesterday 10:18

1.5m is not a long lead
Child should have been on a lead if it's likely to smack pat random dogs.

nc43214321 · Yesterday 10:21

Yes most parents ask if their child can stroke my dog before they go near her. If a child runs up to my dog I would usually move her out of the way and tell them she doesn’t like children. Just because I think it’s rude and children need to be aware not all dogs are friendly.