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Friend's dog bit a child, whose fault?

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karrabee · Yesterday 09:43

Dog was on a lead, probably 1.5 metres ahead. Family of 2 adults and 2 children walking past in opposite direction. Children probably 4 and 8? As they walked past the younger girl darted towards the dog and put her hand on his head (flat palm almost like she was hitting him but I think she was trying to pat him on the head) and he nipped her. We were passing each other on a path in a park so were quite close already. Had zero time to do anything as from her walking past to touching him happened in about 1.5 seconds. We had no interaction with the other family prior to this. Dog has never bitten before, we think he just got a fright from the girl, but the family went mad and started threatening to call the police saying we have a dangerous dog (he's am old staffy who has never bitten once and we were so shocked that he even nipped her as he is extremely gentle!). Family followed us round the park and kept shouting 'we know where you live, police are going to be well aware of you'. The girl wasn't injured, skin wasn't broken, but she was obviously scared. Surely this is the fault of the family for not teaching their children not to touch dogs? I don't have a dog so haven't really had to think about it before, but my son knows not to touch dogs without confirming with the owner that they're friendly. It is drilled into him!

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Ilovelurchers · Yesterday 11:24

No everything has to be someone's fault, and sometimes accidents just happen. If neither child or dog had ever behaved like this before, it's fair enough that their responsible adults didn't plan ahead for it and take adequate precautions.

Going forwards, parents need to keep a closer eye on their child and dog needs to be on a shorter lead in busy public places - also consider one of those warning vests for him if you want to be doubly sure.

The girl's family sound aggressive, but I guess they will have read a lot of stories about kids being killed by dogs, and I suppose the event scared them. They probably aren't evil people.

Tel12 · Yesterday 11:25

This is on the parents. If you approach any dog then it's down to you. Under these circumstances it's quite possible that the parents are encouraging the child to be traumatised unnecessarily. My dog is super friendly and approachable but I don't think that any child has petted without the parents asking permission first.

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 11:28

MerylSqueak · Yesterday 09:49

I taught my children from a young age not to touch other people's dogs without having been invited to. I think it was the girl's parents' fault.

Absolutely this. You treat animals with respect or they will react. It’s their only way of defending themselves.
My beautiful gentle lab has never been vicious (apart from knocking things over with his waggy tail). But if someone smacked him or poked him in the eye or similar I would have little sympathy for them if he snarled at them.

rosagarten · Yesterday 11:29

I was well into my fifties when a very nice dog owner with a bad Labrador told me never to pat the top of the dog's head and explained that the dog might perceive it as a threat. I had never been told that in all my years of patting dogs so I wouldn't blame the little girl's parents for not knowing that. Maybe this situation is just why it is always a good idea to teach little chlldren not to pat dogs they don't know without asking the owner first? The owner should maybe have a shorter lead if they are walking on narrow footpaths. The family were overly aggressive.

Comeondoreen · Yesterday 11:30

My view is fault on both sides, more so on the child’s parents’ side.

But ultimately, if you own a dog you need to be prepared to encounter stupid people. If you choose to own an animal capable of causing serious injury, it’s up to you to prevent that happening - even if other people are being reckless.

SoThatsTheWayItIs · Yesterday 11:31

karrabee · Yesterday 10:56

Where did the narrow bit come from? The path is large, I'd say about 4 metres wide at least. It's a wide path that goes round the outside of the whole park. People cycle and walk around it. Thanks for all responses!

You stated “we were quite close already” in you OP. Either way my opinion stands of there being fault on both sides

SirenScream · Yesterday 11:33

If you choose to keep pet dogs as a hobby then you are responsible for anything the dog does.

Steeleydan · Yesterday 11:40

Ponoka7 · Yesterday 10:02

50/50, as said. When you're passing people the dog and children under 5 should be by you. From that far away you couldn't intercept a dog off a lead running over. It protects the dog, especially breeds like a Staffie, who can give as good, if not better than they get. It used to scare me when a small, unleashed dog, would go for my GS, because my dog would be blamed if he killed the other dog.

The dog wasnt off the lead, totally the child's fault, and the parents for not telling her she shouldn't run up to strange dogs,especially then to wack it on the head. Poor dog

PrincessHoneysuckle · Yesterday 11:45

Parents fault but then again adults are no better.I had my tiny dog in my coat once when we were on holiday as she didnt want to walk anymore(diva)
A woman walking past reached out to her and I said "no! Sorry she will nip you if shes not on the ground"
Woman looked very put out but that was better than the alternative.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 11:46

PrincessHoneysuckle · Yesterday 11:45

Parents fault but then again adults are no better.I had my tiny dog in my coat once when we were on holiday as she didnt want to walk anymore(diva)
A woman walking past reached out to her and I said "no! Sorry she will nip you if shes not on the ground"
Woman looked very put out but that was better than the alternative.

Gosh some people are so entitled!

RocketLollyPolly · Yesterday 11:48

Children are expected to be taught not to touch dogs but dogs often run up to, jump up at, sniff, lick etc children and they are expected to put up with it as the dog is being ‘friendly’.

Youre both at fault here - child can’t be trusted around dogs and dog can’t be trusted around children so both should be kept apart. No harm done so you can just move on from it.

AshCullen1894 · Yesterday 11:49

Everyone is at fault. Idiot parents and entitled dog owner

SmokyMountainRain · Yesterday 11:50

The parents fault.

Saying that, I always position myself between my dogs and other people because people think hey can just touch dogs without asking.

DaisyChain505 · Yesterday 11:52

The family of the child who was bitten. Children should be taught from the day they can walk that they never approach a dog without asking the owner and even then they need to be calm and slow.

I’ve always told children that dogs don’t have a voice so the only way they can communicate is with their mouths so if they’re scared that’s how they’ll warn you.

Blushingm · Yesterday 11:59

Dog should have been closer to the owners - kids aren’t that quick. If the dog had been closer owner could have controlled it

Yes kid shouldn’t have touched the dog but if dog bit for something so minor as kid putting their hand out then it should have been closer to the owner

MeridaBrave · Yesterday 12:08

It’s the fault of the family of the girl who touched the dogs head.

MrMucker · Yesterday 12:27

In a court of law, if it came to it, this is 100% on the dog owner. Because the dog is their responsibility in a public space. Including ANY harm it causes to a human or property, regardless of perceived provocation. There is no scope in law for the conclusion "the person may have been bitten but they brought that on themselves".

I wish dog owners would inform themselves of the law on this rather than endlessly blameshifting because they don't fully realise the notion of accountability as a pet owner.

ThePeppyOpalScroller · Yesterday 12:46

Under the recently ammended Dangerous Dogs Act the dog is legally considered to have been "dangerously out of control". This is a criminal offence. If reported to the police they will investigate. Dog owners need to be aware the law has changed. Foe an owner to commit an offence the dog doesn't have to bite anyone, someone thinking the dog would is enough. A growl or a lunge is all it takes. Be careful out there.

ThePeppyOpalScroller · Yesterday 12:47

AshCullen1894 · Yesterday 11:49

Everyone is at fault. Idiot parents and entitled dog owner

How were the dog owners entitled in this situation?

MCF86 · Yesterday 12:52

Both.
Dog owner should call dog them when they see kids approaching the same as they would with an off lead dog.

Parents should teach children to always approach owners before animals.

maggisimpson · Yesterday 12:56

Parent/child's fault, they need to teach their children not to touch animals or they might get bitten.

BrightLemonHam · Yesterday 12:59

YABU. I would absolutely be reporting you and your dog to the police 🤷‍♀️

Thankfully I’ve taught my children not to go near any dogs so this isn’t a situation I would encounter, but I still think you should be reported for having a nasty dog.

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 13:01

A dog's actions are always the responsibility of its owner.

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · Yesterday 13:01

It’s always the dog’s fault

Ophy83 · Yesterday 13:03

Neither the girl or dog were at fault. The parents and your friend were, for not anticipating that both children and dogs can be unpredictable. They should have taught their child not to approach unless invited and prevented her from doing so, but your friend should have seen them coming and positioned herself between the dog and child. That keeps the dog safe as much as the child.