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To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

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CoventryCity · 22/09/2026 10:14

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

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EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 17:19

No mention of the high court on this thread. It’s been clear it’s a tribunal case.

How Information Rights Appeals Work
When a government department like the MoJ appeals an ICO decision, the tribunal follows a strict legal review process: 1, 2]

  • Independent Panel: The case is overseen by a legally qualified Tribunal Judge, often accompanied by two independent, non-legal tribunal panel members who specialize in data protection and information law. 1, 2]

Information rights and data protection: appeal against the Information Commissioner

How to appeal to a tribunal against the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) or ask the tribunal to direct a response if you have not heard from the ICO.

https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESkAEB6zswFUtd6B6EKrx0BUoEIGxemheBCzu-r7d-T5zpG_YjD3nQxDtW_a3Cyi9x4xUYW8L4-JdoJgWDrAyKtDwPHj2Fv2WCEslTo3y6gxf48ZQCUi0e9zqbm53FqEl1xUxquaJckT10Ln7i2xfZyY0rOcxjOtGS_cfwDYE0YZH0hqOflxC-3NdMR4NaFVhf4W0

SomeoneIsWrongOnTheInternet · 23/09/2026 17:51

Brudffaa · 23/09/2026 13:51

I think the state is over bloated and should be reduced in size.

Kemi says she wants to cut corporation tax, I do too. It'll be good for business and investment

The trouble is that what is causing the “bloating” in the “state” is private companies absolutely robbing the public purse blind to provide worse services than in-house public services ever did, from private landlords to transport to the mail service and riddling education and the NHS. And that is not the sort of “bloating” that is ever targeted, somehow. Somehow all that ever happens is that frontline staff actually providing the services are cut, even as demand grows.

Ed - and of course the same is true in water and in the energy dear Jim is complaining about.

LakieLady · 23/09/2026 18:08

Blinkett · 23/09/2026 14:10

It’s a good way of raising tax. If you have more money you spend it on things that include VAT. Basic foodstuffs are VAT free, luxury cars and handbags have VAT added. It’s a tax on non-essential spending.

And it's hard to evade!

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 18:27

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 15:41

I dint think OP is going to answer the question in relation to the stats she is desperate for - ie.who would be classed as a citizen (for the purposes of the control group) and who would be classed as 'immigrant?'

Oh dear. It’s literally information the police take when there’s a crime committed. Nationality, sex, status etc etc etc. It exists.

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RedTagAlan · 23/09/2026 18:46

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 17:19

No mention of the high court on this thread. It’s been clear it’s a tribunal case.

How Information Rights Appeals Work
When a government department like the MoJ appeals an ICO decision, the tribunal follows a strict legal review process: 1, 2]

  • Independent Panel: The case is overseen by a legally qualified Tribunal Judge, often accompanied by two independent, non-legal tribunal panel members who specialize in data protection and information law. 1, 2]

Hang on. You have been backing up posters who are saying it is a court case.... by not correcting them, while you knew it was an internal ICO appeal ?

Upthread a bit your good self and others were accusing me of obfuscation. But what I was doing was trying to understand the claims being made.

And you don't see that as an issue? You know, seeing others adding wee bits to the truth to spin it to how they, and you, want others to read about your subject of interest. Surely if you are posting as a bastion of the real truth, then you should be correcting them with links ?In the name of social media purity and all that.

MN is social media after all.

But yeah, you will say you have no control over what others post. You just don't bother to correct misinformation.

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 18:50

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 18:27

Oh dear. It’s literally information the police take when there’s a crime committed. Nationality, sex, status etc etc etc. It exists.

Ok, so an Iranian man with citizenship would be classed as British then, in your view? I'm trying to ascertain what kind of profiling you are so desperate to see?

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 18:54

Do you only want data about crimes committed by men who are awaiting the outcome of asylum claims?

Or are you anxiously awaiting data about different ethnic / nationality groups living in the U.K. - because this is (I would imagine) virtually impossible, given how many people are of mixed heritage.

Badbadbunny · 23/09/2026 18:54

LakieLady · 23/09/2026 18:08

And it's hard to evade!

Except for the billions lost in the black economy, i.e. tradesmen doing "cash in hand" jobs and not declaring the income, small businesses who should be VAT registered but havn't, people selling duty free cigarettes and tobacco, etc. VAT works for the law abiding, but is pretty easy to evade for those who aren't.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:02

Re below it’s the First-tier Tribunal which is the independent court body responsible for resolving disputes against decisions made by government regulatory bodies.

It’s all available for anyone who wants the information. If Labour lose they’ll have usually 28 days to publish, unless they appeal on a point of law.

This notice normally gives the government 28 calendar days to publish the masked data or face being held in contempt of court.

RedTagAlan · 23/09/2026 19:17

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:02

Re below it’s the First-tier Tribunal which is the independent court body responsible for resolving disputes against decisions made by government regulatory bodies.

It’s all available for anyone who wants the information. If Labour lose they’ll have usually 28 days to publish, unless they appeal on a point of law.

This notice normally gives the government 28 calendar days to publish the masked data or face being held in contempt of court.

Is that a reply to my post above where I tagged you via the quote function?

But you do not tag/ quote me ?

And when you say, quote "It’s all available for anyone who wants the information", is that not just the same as saying "google it".

This is my thing on this thread. Go up to my first post here, and I am talking about whataboutisms and distraction techniques. And here you are saying, quote "Re below it’s the First-tier Tribunal which is the independent court body responsible for resolving disputes against decisions made by government regulatory bodies."...

But it is not below. The link you posted is ABOVE.

It is all calculated distraction. Or it certainly seems that way.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:22

I really don’t see the issue with the information or the confusion below.

If Labour lose the tribunal they’ll have 28 days to publish, if they don’t without an appeal they’re in contempt of court.

It’s simple enough to follow.

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 19:31

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:22

I really don’t see the issue with the information or the confusion below.

If Labour lose the tribunal they’ll have 28 days to publish, if they don’t without an appeal they’re in contempt of court.

It’s simple enough to follow.

More obfuscation 🤷‍♀️

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RedTagAlan · 23/09/2026 19:31

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:22

I really don’t see the issue with the information or the confusion below.

If Labour lose the tribunal they’ll have 28 days to publish, if they don’t without an appeal they’re in contempt of court.

It’s simple enough to follow.

And you still do not tag me in answers to my posts.

As a matter of interest, why do you do that ?

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 19:32

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 18:54

Do you only want data about crimes committed by men who are awaiting the outcome of asylum claims?

Or are you anxiously awaiting data about different ethnic / nationality groups living in the U.K. - because this is (I would imagine) virtually impossible, given how many people are of mixed heritage.

Good lord what on earth are you incoherently twittering about? I’ve answered you. Stop obfuscating. It’s unbecoming.

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RedTagAlan · 23/09/2026 19:33

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 19:31

More obfuscation 🤷‍♀️

Yup. It appears @EasternStandard is doing that.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:35

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 19:32

Good lord what on earth are you incoherently twittering about? I’ve answered you. Stop obfuscating. It’s unbecoming.

I mean it’s a simple process but ok. I think the pp needs more convo but it’s all there.

btw thanks this is for the other post

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 19:46

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 19:32

Good lord what on earth are you incoherently twittering about? I’ve answered you. Stop obfuscating. It’s unbecoming.

You haven't answered at all.

BIossomtoes · 23/09/2026 19:48

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 19:46

You haven't answered at all.

And never will.

5128gap · 23/09/2026 19:50

LakieLady · 23/09/2026 10:14

And many working UC claimants wouldn't be entitled to a penny in UC if they weren't paying exorbitant rents.

I'd love to know how much of the spending on UC goes to private landlords. My DNiece and my (step) DIL wouldn't be getting UC at all if they were in social housing instead of paying well in excess of £1k a month in rent.

And immigrants are only entitled to UC under very specific circumstances, one of which is being granted refugee status. Asylum seekers aren't entitled to benefits.

£14 billion a year in UC is paid to private landlords.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2026 19:50

One other thing

The First-tier Tribunal is an official part of the UK justice and court system.

Hence the contempt of court if they don’t publish.

So no idea what the issue is with anyone’s posts.

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 19:52

I'm asking you what you hope this data will prove for you?

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 20:01

BIossomtoes · 23/09/2026 19:48

And never will.

I answered up thread. I can’t help you if you don’t understand or comprehend. It’s common with the leftie squad. See what you want to see, cognitive dissonance and all that.

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shecanbe · 23/09/2026 20:02

Ok, just one more time. Spell it out for us would you?

CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 20:03

shecanbe · 23/09/2026 19:52

I'm asking you what you hope this data will prove for you?

No one’s talking about ‘proof’ or ‘prove’. Well except you babe. I certainly wasn’t. I’d just like the data Labour are suppressing. As I’ve stated many times. You’re doing mental gymnastics to suit your own mental model. Perhaps you’re projecting. I really couldn’t say.

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CoventryCity · 23/09/2026 20:04

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