To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

If you think it's ok that men share our toilets, prisons, hospital wards etc the you are voting against your own interests- fact. Safeguarding out of the window. You can insist that you are ok with the risk all you like (you will probably say there's no risk at all) - doesn't make the risk go away. You are inviting danger - no two ways about it.

i don't care if you don't agree with me - whatever gave you that idea- think what you like.

However I do reserve the right to believe you are wrong and you are doing harm supporting an ideology that in the broadest sense harms women and girls.

Who's not allowed a voice? Everyone on this thread has a voice.

Good grief I am not infantilising anyone. Or silencing anyone for that matter. Of course you can speak up if you disagree - I am here to have a conversation after all - But I am saying you are wrong.

As for the wilful misunderstanding I referred to the previous posters comment about herself prioritising her sons and suggesting I must be in a same sex relationship. No idea what she was on about there.

You have lost me if you think supporting trans rights is somehow battling the patriarchy. Is that what you think? That handing men rights and protections that are for women is somehow feminist?

Yes. I’ve seen many TRA who only post on this issue. What’s your point again?

The dead person who it's about doesnt.

Dolly Parton was a shining light and inspiration to millions.

She's dead now. What's the point of wasting energy being disappointed in her now? What's the point of the OP if not to start an AIBU bunfight, make Mnetters look bad or tighten existing purity spirals?

This thread does nothing to further feminism or women's rights. It's been milked like a lol cow.

I really don’t get the angst some people have over trans people and toilets. I don’t think I would even notice whether a trans woman was in the ladies toilet or not . They are cubicles. So it doesn’t bother me either. She is allowed to disagree with you. If that affects how you see her after her death that says more about you than her.

But wrong about what?

If a woman says she doesn't care if trans women are in her toilets, how can she be wrong? If she says she doesn't think a trans woman in the street poses the same risk to her or induces the same fear as a man, how can you disagree?

You can really wish that all women shared your views, but thise who don't aren't "wrong" and you aren't "right". It is just your opinion vs everyone else's opinion.

If you come across like you think women are stupid until we agree with you, then many of us will assume your view is problematic just because of that behaviour.

I agree.

What’s a TRA?

Cubicles have to lead on to a single sex environment. In a mixed sex environment, the toilet design has to change to become a room for privacy, leading ideally onto a busy thoroughfare for safety.

Cubicles with door and partitions gaps (up to 15cm from floor-door) then space above the door and partitions, are better for health and safety. Gaps provide ventilation, better cleaning, prevention of misuse and supervision in emergencies (medical, being trapped, building evacuation). This design has been replicated around the world in women’s and men’s toilet washrooms (which contain the sinks and dryers). Its economic, space efficient, time efficient with fastest turnover, healthier (eg. the previous occupants flush plumes are not covering the sink and dryer), and safer particularly for women, children and the medically vulnerable.

There’s not ‘angst’ it is common sense that anyone at their most vulnerable is better in a design that can only be permitted in a single sex environment.

If you add up all the conditions like heart disease, stroke, diabetes, epilepsy, allergies, asthma, endometriosis etc, its vital standard non-domestic toilets are in single sex environments. Then you add all the drug overdoses and self harm and assaults as well you really start seeing how safety can be designed in to create safer facilities.

That’s why so-called ‘inclusive’ ‘gender neutral’ toilets are a misnomer - they are often not a regulated design and are typically private cubicles leading out onto a communal mixed sex washroom. In my research the demographic they are least bad for is healthy men.

People who believe women should not have sex based rights or be able to define themselves without reference to men. Usually smug, misogynistic arseholes who think threatening women with rape, violence and death for saying no to men is a good look.

What’s the activist part?

Wait a minute? They post on here? What’s the terms of the advanced search you used to find them?

oh yes, quite a few TRA do, and get their arses handed to them by the very clever and knowledgeable women on here. Usually spotted by the use of words “screeching, hysterical, bigot, transphobe” and mansplaining to women why giving up their rights to sex based spaces is for the greater good. But you know this. We all know you know this.

Chance would be a fine thing explaining why women shouldn’t have the right to single sex spaces. I’ve asked a few times now but still tumbleweed from the modern all the waves feminists. Just the usual predictable moaning about the FWR board 🥱.

Yeah, and the faux naive questions. I’ve not been here long and you spot the patterns. They think they’re soooooo clever 🙄🙄🙄🙄

How do they get away with threatening rape?

Is the “WE ALL” some sort of committee?

Who can join?

Best ignored.

You’re a proper feminist eh? 🤣

Oh yes. Does make me giggle though. “Oooh tell me again why women don’t want men in their spaces”. And the best “I’m GC as they come”. Until they get pushback. Been reading the threads about the reasonable TRA. Maybe some of the TRA might benefit from a read.

Which activists?

Well, I think it is more males. I suspect if a woman in a female single sex space, claimed to be a man, other women wouldn’t be bothered with her as they would know that she is a woman.

So you’d have to wonder why it is deemed appropriate for men as a sex use other facilities, at all? For anything, ever.

There is that Scottish FOI about changing rooms in swimming pools. All sexual assaults, rapes, secret recordings of women getting undressed were carried out in mixed sex changing rooms. And, the direction of travel seems to be making women to only have the option of mixed sex changing rooms. It’s certainly not for the benefit of women and girls, isn’t it? I bet those women didn’t know they were being secretly recorded. A male in any female single sex space turns it into a mixed sex space. A man doesn’t disappear, or become a ‘not man’ when he claims he magically is not a man.

There are many examples of men who go into women’s toilets taking pictures exposing themselves. Examples of them attempting/or unfortunately succeeding in sexually assault the women and girls using what are supposedly safer single sex facilities. Thankfully many women are now making sure these things are getting reported on.

So, when females have to share with males, they are open to male perversions, and unfortunately the strength differential means women are at a great disadvantage. And, that is not great when you are undressed, and/or in a particularly vulnerable situation. That is over and above straightforward comfort and dignity.

Sorry for cross post. @Keeptoiletssafe has more expertly, and eloquently, outlined the issues of male encroachment in female single sex toilets.

I think @Keeptoiletssafe is really clear on why floor to ceiling doors on gender neutral loos are more dangerous (can’t see if someone is having a medical emergency etc).

I, personally, think their case is far less convincing on why trans women using women’s toilets is dangerous.