AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

Oh, bring it the fuck on!

Seriously. Let's have a bill debated in the Commons that posits opening the category of 'woman' to men who feel like being included in it.

I'd love it personally. To see them all squirming. They couldn't miss such a vote either, because if it passed they'd be still held responsible.

Let's get this out in the open.

This is also precisely why the Labour whips will never allow such a debate and vote to happen. Because they know just how badly it will go down in key constituencies.

Well exactly. It's not a problem for women to solve, is it?

Yes.

Trans men just get infantilised and painted as vulnerable little girls who don't know their own minds instead. Even if they're grown adults.

These are not "misogynistic men." There are very few people less misogynistic than trans men. People are being directly unpleasant and abusive to them, and mumsnet has helped normalise that abuse.

No one here thinks people should abuse anyone, but will stand up for themselves. I’m sure some people with fragile self identity experience disagreement and being told no as abuse.

Or it could be that none of the TRA give a shiny shit about TIF, because TIF are female. They are wheeled out as a gotcha every now and then, but nah, TRA don’t care about them. The SC protected TIF by affirming their rights to abortions, pregnancy care and sex relevant screening. Why are the TRA not celebrating this? Surely that’s a good thing for transpeople right?

The SC judgement also prevents TIF from being out in male prisons, psych wards and allows them to access female only RCC provisions. A TIF was put in a male psych ward and raped twice within hours of being there. That can’t happen now. So tell me again why the SC judgement should be reversed?

Its part of being a woman for people to treat us like that. Regardless of gender identity.

Just incase anyone is unaware of the rampant abusive misogyny that some of the TRA movement engage in

https://terfisaslur.com/

There are very few people less misogynistic than trans men.

Amazing.

Well quite, and I never suggested that allowing them to use the ladies was the solution. I used to work with a lovely gay man, and he'd been assaulted by straight men more than once.

No, I don't feel guilty for seeing reality or refusing to say the impossible is possible or that it's a good idea for men to be allowed into women-only spaces. Nor do I feel responsible for the actions of others that have nothing to do with me.

I think this poster is imagining the person they were replying to was talking about women, not men. I doubt even they’d make the claim that most men who identify as women are not misogynistic.

Well, at least you're not denying it happens in here as usual I suppose .
If that's how women are treated, it's ok for us to do it to trans men as well. Ok 👍🙄

Id like to see the methodology behind this meaningful claim.

I suspect it'll be "because I say so".

Well, as “transmen” are not men, I’d say there are very few people less misogynistic. “Transwomen” on the other hand are mostly on an Andrew Tate level of misogyny.

Everyone does it to women and girls. Including those who try to identify out of it. It’s baked in. It’s nothing to do with “here”. I am not required to approve of every poor decision or life choice other women make though. I don’t have to agree with women to support their sex based rights.

This thread moves fast! Above Mouldemort accused mumsnetters of being abusive to women/ transmen - but M didn't provide evidence!

Maybe this helps? A mum/ transman/transparent being cruel/abusive to her kids reported on mumsnet - backed up by multiple court rulings confirming it. It was a mum who Ids as a transman - she tried to remove her child's right to know who their mother is/ parental origins, which is against international human rights/child protection laws. The UK Supreme court found it is against Uk law, international human rights, UK laws including the GRA (protecting kids from parental trans fantasies) and the Children Act (protecting kids from emotional abuse).
childrenoftransitioners.org/six-children/
childrenoftransitioners.org/paperwork/

She then took her case to the ECHR which ruled to protect the kids from her abusive demand, citing the UN Rights of the Child.
www.matrixlaw.co.uk/news/challenge-to-registration-of-transgender-man-as-mother-declared-inadmissible/

Trans ‘woman’ has no place in women only spaces but otherwise leave them be.

The response to that question will, as always, be deafening silence.

By being silent the OP and other posters who have swung in to support the OP are not only condoning but supporting these threats, evidenced by the fact that not a single one of them has condemned or even shown a modicum of disapproval of all the instances of violent threats made by trans activisits documented on this thread.

It is the same old same old misogyny, we've got look what women on Mumsnet made that man do we also have in the respect of trans activists threats and indeed violence against women well, they deserve it and not a dint of shame from OP and supporters for believing and espousing those sentitments.

Most of us are happy for anyone to ID as whatever they want- as long as they don't try and force others to go along with their fantasies of being what they're not.

The main issue here appears to be that some (many?) transpeople don't like the fact they can't force others to submit , don't respect the human rights of others, and want to force everyone else to lie. And when the rest of the world say NO, they say it's anti trans.

This is such an important point, and I remain amazed that so few people who think they support trans rights ever seem to think of it.

Except when it comes to transwomen, then you do clearly care very much, so much that you’re happy to give womens spaces to them. Now why is that, because it sure smells like flat out misogyny?

Yeah. This is what got me kicked out of the genderborg. Stating I could see some benefit to the judgement for TIF. Well that and refusing to call myself a lesbian because my P decided he was a woman.