AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

Closing the thread at 1327

Exactly, Flirts

I suppose the thing is they aren't gender non-conforming. They don't want to just be allowed to be themselves in the body they are.

They have convinced themselves they have to be allowed to be the opposite sex so they actually now need gender to be a thing, and they need it not just for themselves but to impose it onto everyone, so they can have an achievable way to "be" that opposite sex by conforming to the opposite sex type of gender.

I think just to reiterate, that women speaking about their rights and concerns are never responsible for the actions of violent men. This applies to the trans issue, it applies to grooming gangs and lots of other things. Women tend to be used, as people have said, as bargaining chips between different groups of men. Many left wing men have no more respect for women and girls than right wing men do. And on MN, a mostly female website, we mostly bypass whatever shit various men think and articulate our own position. “Trans women” are men. Their rights movement is a men’s rights movement.

Poll remains at 85%. 1326 votes.

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I wish sub-cultures still existed. Trans stuff would have made a great sub-culture.

If the trans lobby had been about removing stereotypes and being able to be the type of person that you wanted to be, then they would actually have been on the same page as many feminists.

And it would have been a force to be reckoned with.

Back to the op...who's completely missed the point. Personally I accept that some people feel they were born in the wrong body.

However, a number of men are using it as an excuse to gain access to women's spaces

Kids who 50 years ago would have put safety pin through their ear and worn a bin bag are using it to rebel against their parents...A safety pin is removable, puberty blocking drugs are not

I wish sub-cultures still existed. Trans stuff would have made a great sub-culture.

I don't want to see men in the women's bathroom, or a kids book with trans-"women" in them. Go crossdressing in your own house, or maybe wear a bra and women's knickers under your trousers out in public. Do it in secret. Hell, enjoy it, but don't start telling me I'm a bigot and a fascist for not publicly accepting your fetish.

But i thought that there was only 6 of us and all our sock accounts we must be working really hard for that America right wing Christian money (my check must be in the post by now)

At the end of the day, this is about a catastrophic overreach that was always going to end badly.

If trans-identifying people had focused on acceptance of their gender non conformity and their rights to present how they like, wear what they like, that would have been fine.

But then didn’t. They pushed this narrative that they should treated as/given the rights of the opposite sex.

Humans can’t change sex. That is known to any scientifically literate person. Women quite understandably, pushed back against men in their single sex spaces. Calling them names for doing so is not going to shut them up.

I guess I'll have to start screenshotting my own posts so I have a record of just how innocuous a post can be and still get deleted.

No idea why I have been deleted, though very interesting someone would rather delete then reply.

I am going to ask MN as I don't believe I have posted anything objectionable.

Always interesting to know what nerves are twanging....

We want safe spaces for women. I will never apologise for that. Women can’t stand up for themselves without being vilified by the likes of you.
Obviously you see men attacking trans people and immediately hold a group of women responsible.

It is. As are some of the spelling mistakes that reoccur under different names.

I'm not anti name changing, in fact I think for women online it's vital, but when each new thread feels like the same play with a different cast....well.

16 posts left for the op to make a more convincing case that she is NBU! The poll will still be open, maybe a chance to turn it around so that it isn’t quite so embarrassing.

They also tended to keep their fetish behind closed doors.

Aw man don't tell them, it was a great giveaway that it was that poster again!

Would a white person in blackface expect to sit there in public without anyone reacting? Men used to keep their cross-dressing in the bedroom

Oh I'm sorry, does it spoil the nice warm glow of slagging people you don't like off if they turn up to defend themselves?

Does it take the shine off when other perspectives start to make your claims look a bit ... untruthful?

But genuinely, thank you for the post. It will be very helpful next time one of those "oh but aren't the FWR women awful? I never go myself but really, should they be allowed to be so blunt?" threads gets started

Isn’t it WOMEN who are being physically attacked by the TRA nutters? WOMEN losing jobs because they recognise biological reality? WOMEN who receive death and rape threats?

I’m so unbelievably done with this DARVO and emotional blackmail. What happens to ‘trans’ is ZERO concern of mine

I know right!

The idea that Feminists, who have been trying to shift men's behaviours towards women forever, have some magic compulsion on men that we can bend them to our will, bur weirdly we don't use our powers to solve MVAWG or domestic or sexual exploitation, we just use them to make men hurt trans people is WILD!

Now, if PPs were saying nasty men will use women as an excuse to do what they want to do anyway, well that is more believable. But that isn't our fault, unless you think we should basically shut up about the injustices of Genderism (or indeed anything else) just in case a random angry man decides to use us as an excuse for a bit of twenty-to-one?

Which to be fair is not that unusual. Shut up women. Eat shit and smile, or someone important might suffer.

I don't know anyone that's anti trans to the point of wishing them harm

Most people I know are of the opinion that by granting legal rights to a particular and somewhat vulnerable group, you shouldn't make another vulnerable group pay for those rights by taking away theirs. A proportionate balanced approach it's needed to both grant rights and at the same time protect both groups from harm, which sometimes means a degree of compromise is needed

Suspicious increase in post about trans people 😂

Pull the other one. Long term mumsnetters have seen time and again transactivists come on with goady posts just like this one. Essentially trying to blame the women of mumsnet for a man attacking a man dressed as a woman.

Would be pretty funny if basement dwelling TRAs hadn't done so much damage to women and kids before people started cottoning on. I note with interest you don't have a single concern for the women's and kids sexually assaulted by transwomen.

What a fucking shock.

Yes. You only have to read posts like that for two minutes - or have a quick skim of terfisaslur.com - to know precisely what this is really all about.