AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

Is it bigotry to say that sex is immutable and that no human being can change sex? Or is that an uncomfortable fact that trans identifying people find hard to hear?

Exactly. It is a red flag. They absolutely know many women (it’s actually the majority) don’t want them there. Men who don’t respect women’s boundaries are not men I feel safe with.

Yes, respect for women and girls as human beings probably isn’t helped by the type of misogynistic rhetoric that men including TRAs and their male allies engage in with gusto.

I absolutely think @helpfulucy should say who she is referring to or withdraw the false accusation. I can’t see anything of that nature.

Unprompted perhaps, but also unevidenced.

How dare you go to bed! 😂 You're supposed to be on here defending your position all night long to certain posters.
(Just checked, it was just gone 11 o clock last night that you last posted before coming back here. That's clearly unacceptable. Do better. 😁

Who has mocked dying trans people??

It’s so predictable when people start goady threads and then mock other people for posting on them. 84% of 1059 posters now.

It just confirms so many TRAs are delusional. We 'all hate trans people' apparently except we don't we just do not want them in women only spaces. We now apparently have mocked suicide expect we haven't we've said women are not responsible for men's mental health problems.

Trans people and their allies just twist everything to desperately blame women. It's all very tiresome and of course misogynistic.

Yes. To believe the fundamental, defining difference between men and women is mental, and that this difference is so great that it overrides any consequences of the difference in our bodies despite the millenia of female-bodied people being manifestly abused, exploited, sexualised and even treated as literal propery entirely because of our bodies and how that history has shaped our social existence even today IS sexist. Absolutely. I'd be astounded to see someone think they can argue it isn't.

Similarly, I find it very hard to see how the belief that the female (and indeed male) halves of the human race aren't important enough to deserve have their own name, legal recognition or even the right to say we do not see ourselves as whatever it is that trans people believe comprises a "woman" can somehow be considered not sexist, assuming you consider sexism to be disadvantaged, disempowering or stereotyping someone based on their sex. (And if a person doesn't think that is what sexism is, if they think sexism follows the word "woman" rather than the people, all they've done is proved beyond a doubt that they are indeed shitting on female people regardless of what label they act under).

Why do you think transwomen say they’re women? What makes them women? Why can’t they just be men with a preference for wearing clothes and having tastes usually targeted at women?

It certainly does for the many women I know. Nobody wants men in their spaces. How these men identity is nothing to do with us and shouldn’t be imposed on us

They do, and then their pop up pals come to hi five their posts as if they’ve done something noble and important by slagging off other women standing up for women’s rights. Yet they don’t have a convincing argument between them, it’s all just smears and insults. It’s like primary school.

I am interested in your solution, is it to just shut up and let men do what they want, when they want and forget all about any sex based rights women and girls need? Or just the men who say they are women?

And what is the difference between a man who says he is a woman, and man who is a woman and men who do not say they are women?

If you believe that women are different from men then where is the line?

I pop in and out regularly, so no need to stress about getting back to me quickly, I can pick this up any time.

@helpfulucy

"It's not trans people hurting them, it's not even men pretending to be trans hurting them."

How very transphobic of you.
Don't you believe in self ID?

The fear of being attacked by men is one of the reasons transwomen don't feel safe using the Gents

Same reason women don't want men in the Ladies. Any men. Even men who are dressed up as women.

Is it mums who are physically targeting them, or is it men?

And please tell me, in simple terms, what is bigoted about women wanting single sex spaces without men in them? The law has given us that right - why is it to wry hard for men to follow it?

Good stuff this.

A Labour MP is going to ask the Labour PM to change the equality act so men can access women's spaces.

In order to do this, there will need to be a vote in House of Commons and a majority of MPs will need to support such a change.

Labour has a majority of MPs and are left wing, so changing the Equality Act will be an absolute doddle. Won't it?

And any MPs of any political party who fail to support such a move will obviously be automatically Far Right cos this new bill will be so easy to pass. Won't they?

Of course the chances of this getting anywhere near a vote are slim to none because the Labour party knows it's nonsense that will blow up in their face and make them look like a bunch of idiots who don't like safeguarding.

So all those Labour MPs that know that this is a disaster zone with the general public are also Far Right.

Cos Everyone Is Far Right who doesn't agree with Nadia. Nadia is the One True Leftie and Saviour of Transpeople.

I hope she volunteers to prove her cause by spending a week with the transwomen detained by His Majesty. Including showering with them. We want the receipts (all tastefully shot without any nudity showing) proving she is willing to do this rather than merely blowing hot air and insults about.

The SC ruling made it clear, though the non-deluded among us knew - women are women because of biological sex. These men should NEVER have been invading our spaces. They should be apologising for spending the last 15 years or so pushing their way into our spaces but they’re tantrumming they haven’t got their way (like so many men do when it comes to women’s rights) and I’m amazed handmaidens come on here blubbering that we’re sooooo mean to the lovely men who simply just want to get their penises out in front of my teenage daughter

This is it. It all matters. And every time we give in and take a step back, the misogynists take a step forward to claim that bit of territory.

We can’t afford to let go of one thing after another, each one perhaps seeming trivial, but all adding up to erasure in the end.

Early on, it may have seemed harmless to call men “she” if they wanted that. But, step by step, we’ve reached a place where men take women’s sports medals, men are applauded for ‘lactating’ when they express chemically induced secretions into a baby’s mouth, men take places in rape crisis centres and women’s wards and women’s prisons ….

It all started when we agreed to ‘be kind’ to male invaders.

Mumsnet has absolutely been instrumental in the resistance against the overreach of trans rights activism both in the U.K. and abroad. Women and girls are in a better position thanks to the U.K. Supreme Court judgment, the Forstater ruling and activism started and supported on Mumsnet. I am proud to have played my own small part in that, as I believe we all should be. Obviously not great news for misogynists, but there you go.

No, but many people think they should be and that women who object to this are “bigots”. Until the SC ruling men were allowed to barge their way into our toilets and safe spaces, and if we complained we’d get kicked out ourselves, called bigots, doxxed and even sometimes arrested

I’m so glad the likes of Ru Paul’s Drag Race has been binned

That's news to me. Excellent.

Also @Mouldemort massive LOL at the “well trans people say mumsnet is to blame” - of course misogynistic men who are having big tantrums because women won’t do as they’re told, are gonna blame women. Why do you believe them?!

It’s a puzzler!