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Is everyone, everywhere ND - I seriously am confused.

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ThisWiseRobin · 13/09/2026 13:36

I understand that hundreds of hackles will rise, some will spit fire, some will curse me, but I just need to ask something, because currently things don't sit comfortably with me.

For ref: I read a thread about how children behave in school and how many times on MN posters will say that their child is Autistic, ADHD, or some other new word for being different.

See, when my generation was at school (1970), we had the lively kids, the quiet kids, the ones who did brilliantly, and the ones who struggled (like me with maths).
The less academic kids were usually great at sport or music or art; the most brainy ones scooped up all the prizes at prize-giving, and that was that. Life was uncomplicated and many will agree the best time to be alive.
But when the teacher walked in, all went quiet. No one threw furniture, no one had trouble calming down, no one screamed or threw tantrums....it simply did not happen. We all seemed to be able to control our emotions and get on with things.
I am truly distressed and concerned (after years of working in a pharmacy) about how many children are now drugged up, suppressed, or out of control - all of which lead to an unhappy child and a very unhappy adult.
It just seems to be everywhere, and I have had parents come in to proudly announce the diagnosis of something as if it's a badge of honour. "At last someone is listening to us....at least we have a diagnosis" - the little one is either fiddling with something on the shelf or jumping on the scales or whatever. I used to say, "Don't do that, thank you," and they would stop.

I don't want to detract from real problems but so many posters here just claim one diversity or another or suggest that a child who is being wacky and noisy is ND (I hate that expression - honestly)
I know my generation is a pain in the a** in younger people's eyes because they think we know nothing, but if the child is overactive, let them swing from the washing line, run around in circles on a field, or dig a hole.
Not every child is going to be at the top of their class; please let your children be children.
Us old people are not stupid; we have had quite a few turns around the sun and sometimes I just despair of what the future generations are going to turn out like.

*Calling a taxi for one now

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ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:53

DontBuyAnotherBook · 14/09/2026 20:10

Some kids with fairly severe autism or even middling can't just get on with it.

This was one of the reasons I posted this. Why is this so prevalent now. Like the PP we just never saw autism etc.i don't just mean it didn't have a name, we never saw tge behaviour.

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TigerRag · 14/09/2026 20:57

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:53

This was one of the reasons I posted this. Why is this so prevalent now. Like the PP we just never saw autism etc.i don't just mean it didn't have a name, we never saw tge behaviour.

But you did see that behaviour and we were bullied for it or called weird

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:58

DontBuyAnotherBook · 14/09/2026 18:36

What was your motive for this thread?

Ps. My adult children tell me I am ND. I just fly my freak flag happily. I'm 69 and I won't change.
Ive told them to stop going on about it. I'm fine. I just describe myself as having a head stuffed with squirrels.
I have a Hons. Degree, just retired after 51 years working and successfully raised 2 brilliant children.
Why do they insist I've got something wrong with me.

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Triskellion75 · 14/09/2026 20:58

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:53

This was one of the reasons I posted this. Why is this so prevalent now. Like the PP we just never saw autism etc.i don't just mean it didn't have a name, we never saw tge behaviour.

Have you not read all the responses to your OP? I'm not sure how you can still be confused if you have, many people have offered many good answers to your question.

Triskellion75 · 14/09/2026 20:59

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:58

Ps. My adult children tell me I am ND. I just fly my freak flag happily. I'm 69 and I won't change.
Ive told them to stop going on about it. I'm fine. I just describe myself as having a head stuffed with squirrels.
I have a Hons. Degree, just retired after 51 years working and successfully raised 2 brilliant children.
Why do they insist I've got something wrong with me.

Freak?

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 21:04

TigerRag · 14/09/2026 20:57

But you did see that behaviour and we were bullied for it or called weird

I'm sorry that happened to you. I was bullied but I was a year younger than my classmates, so I think it was put down to that.
I also have a really quick temper and feel fearful and threatened by people i don't know.
I just put it down to being a mardy arse.

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aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 21:09

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 20:58

Ps. My adult children tell me I am ND. I just fly my freak flag happily. I'm 69 and I won't change.
Ive told them to stop going on about it. I'm fine. I just describe myself as having a head stuffed with squirrels.
I have a Hons. Degree, just retired after 51 years working and successfully raised 2 brilliant children.
Why do they insist I've got something wrong with me.

And none of what you are saying doesn't make you ND. My Dad is 100% ND but also had a highly successful career after doing a Phd retiring on a very good final salary pension. I feel like you are confusing a lot of things here.

Timeforachange26 · 14/09/2026 21:17

TigerRag · 14/09/2026 20:57

But you did see that behaviour and we were bullied for it or called weird

Someone being a bit weird at school still generally grew into independent adults though

I suspect a good friend of mine would've been considered autistic these days. But he aced school, wouldn't have dreamed of causing disruption as very literal on rules. And puts are something else as long as obsession with the latest thing in his head

Left school got a job in a bank then a decade later opened his own business He's now nearly retirement age

Obviously there are people far worse by why do all the people like him now need special consideration now when before they didn't?

TigerRag · 14/09/2026 21:34

Timeforachange26 · 14/09/2026 21:17

Someone being a bit weird at school still generally grew into independent adults though

I suspect a good friend of mine would've been considered autistic these days. But he aced school, wouldn't have dreamed of causing disruption as very literal on rules. And puts are something else as long as obsession with the latest thing in his head

Left school got a job in a bank then a decade later opened his own business He's now nearly retirement age

Obviously there are people far worse by why do all the people like him now need special consideration now when before they didn't?

Many of us didn't ace school though. We really struggled. I developed depression around 12.

We did need special consideration back then but we were ignored or told it was depression

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 21:40

aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 21:09

And none of what you are saying doesn't make you ND. My Dad is 100% ND but also had a highly successful career after doing a Phd retiring on a very good final salary pension. I feel like you are confusing a lot of things here.

Thank you for your input. Can you elaborate on what I am getting confused about.
Is it the levels of autism.
I mean what would make your dad ND seeing he sounds like he's lived a totally normal life.
Thank you

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aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 21:51

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 21:40

Thank you for your input. Can you elaborate on what I am getting confused about.
Is it the levels of autism.
I mean what would make your dad ND seeing he sounds like he's lived a totally normal life.
Thank you

In what way is my dad not normal? Being career successful doesn’t equate to making long term relationships or showing behaviour that is blunt, tactless, very direct, rude, lack of humour, inappropriate comments etc….
But if you only care about work success then, yes totes normal.

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 21:55

aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 21:51

In what way is my dad not normal? Being career successful doesn’t equate to making long term relationships or showing behaviour that is blunt, tactless, very direct, rude, lack of humour, inappropriate comments etc….
But if you only care about work success then, yes totes normal.

I think you misunderstood me. What behaviour would indicate your father as ND, if he has, as described by you, been successful and ordinary.
It's not picking a fight here, I just don't understand your posting.
You say he is 💯 ND....so how do you know.⁹

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Pumpkindice · 14/09/2026 21:58

Kf37elrif · 14/09/2026 20:03

No levels as per the US diagnosis system refer to support needs which they state can fluctuate throughout life, one of my children has been on all 3 levels.

My assessor talked about levels in the context of support needs in my assessment, though didn't refer to them in her final report. I have adult friends who have been diagnosed as 'level 1' (all in England and Wales)
I imagine they might highlight more about children moving through the levels, I guess less so for adults? Though that's not to say that impact and needs don't fluctuate of course.

Pumpkindice · 14/09/2026 22:00

Timeforachange26 · 14/09/2026 21:17

Someone being a bit weird at school still generally grew into independent adults though

I suspect a good friend of mine would've been considered autistic these days. But he aced school, wouldn't have dreamed of causing disruption as very literal on rules. And puts are something else as long as obsession with the latest thing in his head

Left school got a job in a bank then a decade later opened his own business He's now nearly retirement age

Obviously there are people far worse by why do all the people like him now need special consideration now when before they didn't?

I think it's quite evident if you read the thread, that those with significant needs weren't in school in the first place. Either not being given an education at all, or in poorly resourced SEN schools and leaving school much earlier.

aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 22:05

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 21:55

I think you misunderstood me. What behaviour would indicate your father as ND, if he has, as described by you, been successful and ordinary.
It's not picking a fight here, I just don't understand your posting.
You say he is 💯 ND....so how do you know.⁹

Edited

I can honestly understand what your children are up against.
Everything I have quoted are autism traits.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 14/09/2026 22:45

Timeforachange26 · 14/09/2026 21:17

Someone being a bit weird at school still generally grew into independent adults though

I suspect a good friend of mine would've been considered autistic these days. But he aced school, wouldn't have dreamed of causing disruption as very literal on rules. And puts are something else as long as obsession with the latest thing in his head

Left school got a job in a bank then a decade later opened his own business He's now nearly retirement age

Obviously there are people far worse by why do all the people like him now need special consideration now when before they didn't?

Generally if you (general you) are not affected by your autism in day to day life then I doubt you (general you) have autism.

Tamtim · 15/09/2026 01:51

ThisWiseRobin · 14/09/2026 18:39

I guess it's because I read a lot of posts and ND comes up all the time.
I worked in pharmacy it it struck me how many medications children were on.
I was trying to see if anyone else felt that it was a frightening situation.
Thank you for asking.

It is frightening that we are medicating our children so young, however, it’s that or severe issues in a lot of cases. Inability to manage day to day tasks, not able to cope in a classroom environment, suicidal thoughts, not able to socialise or make friends. The list is endless. Medication can and does change lives for the better. I’ve seen it with my own two children. Without it, things would be very different for them.

ThisWiseRobin · 15/09/2026 10:23

aCatCalledFawkes · 14/09/2026 22:05

I can honestly understand what your children are up against.
Everything I have quoted are autism traits.

I thought the list of faults you were quoting were mine. I misread your comment.
However your flippant remark about what my kids are up against is extremely cruel and thoughtless.
My relationship with my children is amazing. My 41 year old doctor daughter still calls up looking for a chat or asks me out .
My temper has never ever been shown to them. I have loved them and encouraged them in all their endeavours.
However your post has left me really upset and feeling a bit sick.
Sorry if I don't engage with you again. I don't feel up to defending myself to a complete stranger who does not know me.

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Timeforachange26 · 15/09/2026 10:25

Pumpkindice · 14/09/2026 22:00

I think it's quite evident if you read the thread, that those with significant needs weren't in school in the first place. Either not being given an education at all, or in poorly resourced SEN schools and leaving school much earlier.

And not disrupting the other kids by that standard

Timeforachange26 · 15/09/2026 10:27

DontBuyAnotherBook · 14/09/2026 22:45

Generally if you (general you) are not affected by your autism in day to day life then I doubt you (general you) have autism.

Yet put my friends symptoms down and he'd be 100% diagnosed

ThisWiseRobin · 15/09/2026 10:27

Triskellion75 · 14/09/2026 20:59

Freak?

Oh come on.....don't look for arguments where there are none. It's an expression for any wacky behaviour. Please don't try and undermine a very interesting thread by picking holes in terminology.

Thank goodness this thread ends today.
The hairshirts are moving in.

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Kirbert2 · 15/09/2026 10:39

ThisWiseRobin · 15/09/2026 10:27

Oh come on.....don't look for arguments where there are none. It's an expression for any wacky behaviour. Please don't try and undermine a very interesting thread by picking holes in terminology.

Thank goodness this thread ends today.
The hairshirts are moving in.

Why will it end today?

Triskellion75 · 15/09/2026 11:14

ThisWiseRobin · 15/09/2026 10:27

Oh come on.....don't look for arguments where there are none. It's an expression for any wacky behaviour. Please don't try and undermine a very interesting thread by picking holes in terminology.

Thank goodness this thread ends today.
The hairshirts are moving in.

'Freak' is not an appropriate word to use in this context.

I agree, I'll be glad to see the back of this thread. Some of the responses have shown how far we have to go.

And you never answered my question, are you still confused?

VioletsTale · 15/09/2026 17:26

ThisWiseRobin · 15/09/2026 10:27

Oh come on.....don't look for arguments where there are none. It's an expression for any wacky behaviour. Please don't try and undermine a very interesting thread by picking holes in terminology.

Thank goodness this thread ends today.
The hairshirts are moving in.

What makes you think the tread ends today? Do you mean the poll?

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