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Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

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MumofCandR · Yesterday 11:53

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

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ShitHoleDweller · Yesterday 19:15

Did I dream there was some sort of European vote where loads of countries were shouting about ending the flow of migration and other country representatives were shouting back? I swear it happened and if it did what were they voting on?

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:19

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:12

You’d still have the refugee convention which means you can arrive in any way to apply.

So you’d need to end that.

Yes, but would massively reduce arrivals and therefore speed up decision making. Likelihood is that irregular arrivals would not be accepted and therefore could be removed.

Smokeywater · Yesterday 19:21

German far-right set for big win in eastern state - projections

BBC headline tonight - it’s likely to come here if nothing is done

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:22

Dersie · Yesterday 19:13

Because it is white women and children that are predominantly being attacked, do you you not watch the news?
As a woman I dont want ANY woman or child to suffer at the hands of ANY man, be they white, black purple or green.
I will reiterate once again that I have concerns about men, of any race entering the country illegally.
Iwill not be called a white supremacist for that.

How do you know the ethnicity of women and girls who are being attacked? And if you have that data, please share it so we can all be educated.

I world in the VAWG sector and it’s not my experience at all, so if you have information it would be appreciated.

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:23

Smokeywater · Yesterday 19:21

German far-right set for big win in eastern state - projections

BBC headline tonight - it’s likely to come here if nothing is done

Isn’t it funny that people are voting for a party whose leader doesn’t even live the values she promotes?

LakieLady · Yesterday 19:26

metameta · Yesterday 18:23

Matey you can say black is white but it doesn’t make it true. ‘Antifa’ is quite literally, anti fascist.

I can't believe that that required explanation. I first heard the term in the late 70s, when I was "rocking against racism".

More like "rocking chair against racism" these days...

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:26

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:19

Yes, but would massively reduce arrivals and therefore speed up decision making. Likelihood is that irregular arrivals would not be accepted and therefore could be removed.

Ok are you saying you’d end international law to stop irregular arrivals?

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:31

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:26

Ok are you saying you’d end international law to stop irregular arrivals?

No, I have very clearly not said that.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:32

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:31

No, I have very clearly not said that.

Ok well you’ll get people arriving at the coast still.

Dersie · Yesterday 19:35

The evidence is out there if youd care to open your eyes
Its a well known fact, these men mainly target white women and children.
Stop being defensive not to mention ignorant

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:39

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:32

Ok well you’ll get people arriving at the coast still.

I refer you back to what I already said.

‘Yes, but would massively reduce arrivals and therefore speed up decision making. Likelihood is that irregular arrivals would not be accepted and therefore could be removed.’

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:42

Dersie · Yesterday 19:35

The evidence is out there if youd care to open your eyes
Its a well known fact, these men mainly target white women and children.
Stop being defensive not to mention ignorant

It’s not out there, and if you’re unable to share it I assume you’re more interested in shit stirring than actually protecting women and girls.

I’ve nothing to be defensive of, I work with women every day who are affected by men of all religions and ethnicities, I support them reporting to police and attending court if needed. If I only saw white women and girls I’d tell you, but I don’t. So there’s my evidence, where’s yours?

anniegun · Yesterday 19:43

Right wing thugs are given free reign in this country. Most of them are just itching to slap a woman around as well. Just watch the video of that man at the Reform conference

metameta · Yesterday 19:45

Greenmouldycheese · Yesterday 18:42

Stop lying.

🤷🏼‍♀️ I have no reason to lie.

Dersie · Yesterday 19:46

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:22

How do you know the ethnicity of women and girls who are being attacked? And if you have that data, please share it so we can all be educated.

I world in the VAWG sector and it’s not my experience at all, so if you have information it would be appreciated.

Im privy to this info as im a civil servant, thats all im willing to disclose.
Even if any the women and children that have been attacked so far were black by these illegal immigrants, are you actually saying this is ok? Because it sounds to me like you are trying to justify it

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:48

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:39

I refer you back to what I already said.

‘Yes, but would massively reduce arrivals and therefore speed up decision making. Likelihood is that irregular arrivals would not be accepted and therefore could be removed.’

How many people accepted by the other method would ‘massively reduce arrivals’?

Cailleach1 · Yesterday 19:50

@ElizaMulvil ‘Many countries allow asylum seekers to work either immediately or very quickly.eg
Australia, Canada, Sweden, Portugal - almost immediately’

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This doesn’t sound correct vis a vis Australia.

Australia does off shore processing for claimants, using other countries such as Nauru. Claimants cannot enter Australia at all if they are illegal, never mind immediately get the green lights to work. I’m not sure they can even resettle in mainland Australia if they have tried to previously enter illegally.

Australia allows asylum seekers to enter the country before a protection claim is granted only if they arrive with a valid visa, like a work or student one.

Stairlifter · Yesterday 19:50

Pineneedlesincarpet · Yesterday 18:58

A net across the sea was slightly tongue in cheek. As I hoped I made clear by saying luckily Im not in charge. But gorgeous of you to give it your wise assessment as to the prospects of success 🤣.

The main role of government is to defend the country. And many people have described the influx of undocumented males from countries we have recently been at war with and who may not have our best interests at heart as an invasion. I think at this stage, given the government has clearly failed in defending our borders and doesn't seem to have the intention or will to do much about it, the military are entirely appropriate and a perfectly good use of their time. They can check what the Russian subs going through the Channel are up to at the same time.

Just because many people think that the small boats issue is a national security threat warranting a change in military strategy, that doesn't make it so. The government probably thinks that the military is better utilised defending the country doing what it's already doing.

I'm pretty sure that the government does have the intention to do something about it. Apart from anything else it would be extremely good for them politically. And they have reduced small boat crossings by 40% this year to prove it. But it is extremely hard to eradicate this issue. So far the best ideas we have jointly come up with over and above doing what the government is already doing are a) do something undefined with the military and b) build a giant net.

Pange79 · Yesterday 19:50

HouseOfGoldandBones · Yesterday 15:41

I hate these thuggish protestors. If you're so sure you're right, you should have the courage to show your face.

But, this is how we estimate population views. Usually it's not as many as 5,000.

Thuggish protesters who committed no actual thuggery - get over yourself.

Dersie · Yesterday 19:51

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5128gap · Yesterday 19:54

Dersie · Yesterday 19:46

Im privy to this info as im a civil servant, thats all im willing to disclose.
Even if any the women and children that have been attacked so far were black by these illegal immigrants, are you actually saying this is ok? Because it sounds to me like you are trying to justify it

Make your mind up. The evidence is either 'out there' if PP 'opened her eyes' or it exists only in secret for people with secrety jobs to hint at on MN when they've dug themselves a hole.

soddingspiderseason · Yesterday 19:54

Dersie · Yesterday 19:46

Im privy to this info as im a civil servant, thats all im willing to disclose.
Even if any the women and children that have been attacked so far were black by these illegal immigrants, are you actually saying this is ok? Because it sounds to me like you are trying to justify it

If you are a civil servant dealing with sensitive data such as this, then you will have signed the official secrets act, and should under no circumstances be disclosing details from that data on social media.

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:55

Dersie · Yesterday 19:46

Im privy to this info as im a civil servant, thats all im willing to disclose.
Even if any the women and children that have been attacked so far were black by these illegal immigrants, are you actually saying this is ok? Because it sounds to me like you are trying to justify it

Recorded crime stats don’t support what you say and victims of sexual assault have lifelong anonymity. Prosecutions are in open court, and crime committed by migrants is widely reported. I attend court regularly myself and have many friends in the CPS and who are solicitors.

You seem to be suggesting that crimes are being concealed from the public. That would require an enormous conspiracy which - if you’ve not blown the whistle - you are part of. That would be reprehensible. So you’re either a liar or complicit in something dreadful and likely criminal.

Well done.

Worrall20 · Yesterday 19:56

anniegun · Yesterday 19:43

Right wing thugs are given free reign in this country. Most of them are just itching to slap a woman around as well. Just watch the video of that man at the Reform conference

Right wing thugs? What about Left wing thugs or do they not count? Think the trans activists, Antifa, Stop Oil, Free Palestine are all angels? All violence should be dealt with regardless of which side they are on. Oh yes and I watched the video when a Left Wing Activist broke the back of a policewomen with a sledgehammer.

Switchnow · Yesterday 19:57

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You’ve no idea what organisation I work for, but in any case how could I possibly know information that you claim the government is concealing?

I’ve told you what I know: not one skin tone or religion is a guarantee of safety for women. If you’ve evidence to the contrary, share it so we can all keep women and girls safe.

ETA: don’t know why @Dersie was deleted, it’s not actually the worst thing I’ve seen her say. Usually better to let people see what kind of person they’re dealing with I think.

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