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Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

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Fasdmama · Yesterday 10:57

I've seen this a few times and I dont know what is the right thing to do.
So the other week we were at the cinema. I took my daughter to the toilet and as I was waiting for her a man came out of a cubicle with a little girl and went to wash her hands.
It got me thinking.
I feel uncomfortable a man in the womens toilet. I understand how you'd potentially feel uncomfortable taking a daughter into the mens toilets.
And the only other option in this situation was the disabled toilet but morally thats wrong.

I dont know what I feel is right in this situation so wanted to know other people's opinions.
So yabu: its right for a man to take girl into female toilets
Yanbu: he should take her somewhere else...but where?

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FourSevenFive · Yesterday 12:37

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:28

I’m saying that girls have rights too. She has been hardly considered but she’s the one that needs a safe, private toilet.

And she will get a safe, private cubicle when her father takes her to the men's.

The young boys have rights as well.
In your logic, should fathers bring their boys to women's (to avoid going through men's), or mothers their boys to men's (because boys have rights too)?

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:37

Crow55 · Yesterday 12:34

Your child your choice. My child my choice.

Yes but your choice is based on a ridiculous fear of absolutely nothing plus is incredibly selfish towards other women . If a little
girl shouldn’t be in there neither should a little boy . Little girls don’t need to be wrapped in cotton wool .

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:37

Daffodilsinthespring · Yesterday 11:08

Absolutely no man should ever be in ladies’ loos. Disabled or gents.

Why? We all use cubicles don't we? Nothing to see here!
Surely its better than submitting little girls to men with their bits out and that stink!!
I always took grandsons into ladies toilets till they were older,whats the difference?

Shimmerandshine21 · Yesterday 12:38

I don’t know if I’m missing something but I really don’t see the issue with this. Women’s toilets all, to my knowledge, have individual cubicles, so the most a man would see a female - adult or child doing, is washing their hands??? If a young girls went to the men’s the urinals are open to all - and smelly and grim. I think I’d be a bit surprised but it wouldn’t bother me. How is it different to places havung unisex toilets? Obviously a man loitering in the ladies with or without a child would be a concern but they’d be a concern anyway!

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 12:38

Duckduckgander · Yesterday 12:36

And what if the female child isn't comfortable with that? Why do adult female's comfort and preferences trump those of a child's ? I'm really astounding by the double standards on this thread.

So mothers should take 6-7 yo boys to men's if the boy would be more comfortable with that?

Whippets81 · Yesterday 12:39

I’m disabled and the absolute right thing to do is to use the disabled toilet. It’s absolutely fine for this. Men shouldn’t be in women’s toilets - little girls shouldn’t be in the men’s toilets.

It absolutely is a problem with men out with their little girls. I remember my dad saying he found it awkward knowing what to do when I was little and I’m 45 now but he wouldn’t have dreamt of going in the ladies.

wow217 · Yesterday 12:39

I was at the swimming pool with my 4y.o. A mum and her son aged around 9 came in the changing room. I felt uncomfortable but if I say anything I'll get flamed on her and everywhere else. My husband cannot take her to the swimming pool, where would they change? There is need for more family rooms/loos etc.
Edit to add: my daughter is female, she goes into her designated room. Her father is just to help her. No way is she going to men's rooms. This is utterly ridiculous.

Dithercats · Yesterday 12:40

Whippets81 · Yesterday 12:39

I’m disabled and the absolute right thing to do is to use the disabled toilet. It’s absolutely fine for this. Men shouldn’t be in women’s toilets - little girls shouldn’t be in the men’s toilets.

It absolutely is a problem with men out with their little girls. I remember my dad saying he found it awkward knowing what to do when I was little and I’m 45 now but he wouldn’t have dreamt of going in the ladies.

You don't get to decide its ok for all disabled people

goldenpanda · Yesterday 12:40

MrDobbs · Yesterday 12:34

When my daughter was younger I used to try and take her to the disabled toilets where possible. In many cases, these were just marked as disabled toilets not family/baby change, so it is misuse and I understand the perspective of people who consider this unacceptable.

I have taken her to the men's a couple of times but frankly, most mens toilet cubicles are disgusting and she was also less comfortable in a group of unfamiliar men than women at nursery age, probably because all her nursery practitioners were female.

I have never used the women's. I am just glad that she's now 6 and I can send her in to the women's toilets alone and my younger child is a boy so don't have to deal with this question anymore.

I have seen this with my children: more comfortable with groups of women they don’t know than men they don’t know. I think it might be instinctive.

LilacBalloons · Yesterday 12:41

I'd much rather a man took his daughter into the women's than a little girl had to go into the men's. If there is no family bathroom a dad can, imo, knock and loudly announce that he's bringing his daughter in.

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:41

Random321 · Yesterday 12:32

I don't believe anything is going to happen but a young girl shouldn't have to go in there if she doesn't want.

She doesn't have to worry about seeing men at urinals or feeling she's in the wrong place.

Surely a child should be prioritised over grown women?

There are lots of things my children don’t want to do, but I teach them to do them because they have to. There is no safety reason why DH cannot take DD into a men’s toilet. I am not going to ask my adult DH to impose himself on women-only spaces (where, incidentally, other young girls may be using the toilet - should they have to use the toilet around a ‘strange man’?), for no good reason.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:41

wow217 · Yesterday 12:39

I was at the swimming pool with my 4y.o. A mum and her son aged around 9 came in the changing room. I felt uncomfortable but if I say anything I'll get flamed on her and everywhere else. My husband cannot take her to the swimming pool, where would they change? There is need for more family rooms/loos etc.
Edit to add: my daughter is female, she goes into her designated room. Her father is just to help her. No way is she going to men's rooms. This is utterly ridiculous.

Edited

A 9 year old should be able to go into the men’s on their own unless they have special needs or something and can use the disabled changing room. In my swimming pool there are signs up everywhere saying boys over 8 no longer allowed in the women’s . And that’s fair enough I think as a mother of boys .

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:41

Kingdomofsleep · Yesterday 11:18

My dh takes dd into the men's or into a family changing if there's a loo in there. He would never dream of going into the ladies', he'd feel like it was a creepy thing to do.

My dd is 6 now and can go into the ladies in her own. (It's not much different to going to the loo at school.) I'd be enraged if she was in there and a Dad went in.

Men should not go into the ladies'.

Its creepier to take a girl into a stinky cesspit where men stand in a line exposing themselves!!
No. I am firmly with team take into ladies loo. We are more civilized and prefer to wee in private not public so we have cubicles; nothing for the dad to see. FGS!

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:41

Men should not go in women's public toilets. My dh managed to look after our dc when out without having to go in the ladies.

Find a unisex space, family room whatever. Or, the dc are with their parent so going in a cubicle in the men's is fine. If I ever see a man in the ladies I'll helpfully suggest any of these very common sense options.

Do women march into the men's with their sons? Nope.

shuggles · Yesterday 12:42

Fasdmama · Yesterday 10:57

I've seen this a few times and I dont know what is the right thing to do.
So the other week we were at the cinema. I took my daughter to the toilet and as I was waiting for her a man came out of a cubicle with a little girl and went to wash her hands.
It got me thinking.
I feel uncomfortable a man in the womens toilet. I understand how you'd potentially feel uncomfortable taking a daughter into the mens toilets.
And the only other option in this situation was the disabled toilet but morally thats wrong.

I dont know what I feel is right in this situation so wanted to know other people's opinions.
So yabu: its right for a man to take girl into female toilets
Yanbu: he should take her somewhere else...but where?

Fake story. The only reason why men go into women's toilets is if they want to do something they shouldn't be doing. Otherwise, men never try to legitimately enter the women's toilets.

Convention would be for men to bring young girls into the men's toilets. Being in the men's toilets isn't an issue because the cubicles are closed.

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:43

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:41

Its creepier to take a girl into a stinky cesspit where men stand in a line exposing themselves!!
No. I am firmly with team take into ladies loo. We are more civilized and prefer to wee in private not public so we have cubicles; nothing for the dad to see. FGS!

Exposing themselves? They have their backs to the room! Shepherding dc into a cubicle is all that is required.

Men should not go in the ladies. Ever.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:44

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:41

Its creepier to take a girl into a stinky cesspit where men stand in a line exposing themselves!!
No. I am firmly with team take into ladies loo. We are more civilized and prefer to wee in private not public so we have cubicles; nothing for the dad to see. FGS!

They stand in a line minding their own business doing a piss. Who cares ? What are you sheltering them from exactly ?

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shuggles · Yesterday 12:44

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:41

Its creepier to take a girl into a stinky cesspit where men stand in a line exposing themselves!!
No. I am firmly with team take into ladies loo. We are more civilized and prefer to wee in private not public so we have cubicles; nothing for the dad to see. FGS!

I think you have a misunderstanding of the men's toilets. The men aren't "exposed" because they're standing close to a wall that they are facing. The only way to see a penis in the men's toilets is by intentionally trying to look at one.

ExtraOnions · Yesterday 12:45

…this is because Women’s spaces are routinely disregarded, and used as the “default” option.

Male child goes into Male urinal with Dad .. no issue. Female child goes into Male urinal with Dad, it’s a massive safeguarding issue (apparently). Why is ok for a young boy to be exposed to these half-dressed men, waving their Penises around.

Why not make the Ladies toilets the default for all young children, so Dads can enter them with their Sons or Daughters, for fear that they might hear a man weeing in the Gents.

..small girls can’t be taken into the Gents, as men are predators.. so let’s say it’s ok for a man (one of those said predators) to enter a Women’s space, because they have a child with them.

Crow55 · Yesterday 12:45

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:37

Yes but your choice is based on a ridiculous fear of absolutely nothing plus is incredibly selfish towards other women . If a little
girl shouldn’t be in there neither should a little boy . Little girls don’t need to be wrapped in cotton wool .

It isn’t,my son was sexually abused aged 11 in a men’s toilet whilst I was outside. He has since disclosed during therapy also being subjected to man wanking next to him at urinals on more than one occasion. Children often don’t disclose sexual abuse until years later, sometimes never. It happens so your describing my fear as being based on absolutely nothing is incorrect.

Are you seriously telling me a child going alone into a men’s toilet is less dangerous than a man accompanying his daughter into a cubical in the ladies? I have never smothered my children in cotton wool .

No parent should be bullied into doing something they don’t feel is right as regards safeguarding. All parents should safeguard their child according to where they are at any given time. Toilets vary as do who uses them and children.

Bromptotoo · Yesterday 12:45

5foot5 · Yesterday 11:01

I don't see what's wrong with using the disabled toilet in these circumstances. But if that was unavailable for any reason then, on balance, I think it's better he takes her to the ladies than to the gents. Imagine if someone was using the urinals!

The womens are all cubicles and all that's shared is hand washing but as a bloke I'd still not be comfortable using the

Absent a unisex/child specific loo you take them into the mens and use a cubicle.

Standing up at urinals is how men wee. You just explain that simple fact. Keep sensible spacing obvs - what will she see?

If all she needed was a wee our daughter was using the ladies in (eg) cafes and restaurants on her own at four. I waited outside. Biggest issue was doors too heavy or too fiercely self closing for her to manage.

Crow55 · Yesterday 12:46

shuggles · Yesterday 12:44

I think you have a misunderstanding of the men's toilets. The men aren't "exposed" because they're standing close to a wall that they are facing. The only way to see a penis in the men's toilets is by intentionally trying to look at one.

Incorrect, they can turn round.

lessglittermoremud · Yesterday 12:47

I’ve been in the ladies when there has been a knock on the door and a Dad has shouted “Dad with a small daughter about to come in”.
He stuck his head around saw it was only me in there washing my hands and asked if I minded that he had tried the gents and they were disgusting and smelt and the little one was desperate.
I told him to come in and then I stood in the doorway to let anyone else about to come in that there was a bloke in there with his little girl.
They were in there for a few minutes and then dashed out, he was really apologetic to the couple of ladies that had chosen to wait outside but no one minded.
Hopefully more places move with the times and offer family toilets in the baby changing areas etc.
My 6 year old boy comes into the ladies with me if we’re out without his big brothers/Dad. No way am I sending him into the gents on his own at that age, and even now with my 11 year old I stand right outside the door.

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