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Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

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Fasdmama · Yesterday 10:57

I've seen this a few times and I dont know what is the right thing to do.
So the other week we were at the cinema. I took my daughter to the toilet and as I was waiting for her a man came out of a cubicle with a little girl and went to wash her hands.
It got me thinking.
I feel uncomfortable a man in the womens toilet. I understand how you'd potentially feel uncomfortable taking a daughter into the mens toilets.
And the only other option in this situation was the disabled toilet but morally thats wrong.

I dont know what I feel is right in this situation so wanted to know other people's opinions.
So yabu: its right for a man to take girl into female toilets
Yanbu: he should take her somewhere else...but where?

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NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:19

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 13:16

Yes exactly . And adult men can’t go into women’s toilets but it’s fine for little boys to go into. Get it now ?

This is batshit, you’re saying it’s appropriate for little girls to be dangling bait in front of potential pedophiles in the men’s toilets but little boys can be kept safe in the women’s toilets.

MCF86 · Yesterday 13:20

I'd much rather that than a young girl having to go in the gents.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 13:20

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:17

Because you’d be deliberately exposing a small girl to several strange men while using the toilet just so that an adult woman doesn’t have to see one dad helping the same girl.

This is unbelievably cruel to the girl and makes her feel like she isn’t really female.

lol . I remember going to the men’s changing room with my dad when I was a kid and once I asked why don’t we go to the women’s cos I’m a girl . He said cos the women would get an awful fright if a man went in women don’t like men in their changing room. I just shrugged and accepted it . Did I suddenly feel like I wasn’t female ? Eh no. Most ludicrous comment I’ve heard so far on this thread.

viques · Yesterday 13:24

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Yesterday 11:04

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

Fine, pick up your badge on the way out.

But remember you don’t have the say on what other women feel though.

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:24

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shuggles · Yesterday 13:25

Crow55 · Yesterday 13:06

They wait until it’s less visable to others or they’re alone. My son has told me. I believe him.

Sorry but this is nonsense. While gay men do hang around public toilets, they are generally very discrete and they intentionally don't try to force themselves onto other men (who are most likely straight) as that's asking for trouble.

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:26

viques · Yesterday 13:24

Fine, pick up your badge on the way out.

But remember you don’t have the say on what other women feel though.

I can’t believe actual mothers like me would put their & their DDs’ comfort over the actual safety of little girls. It’s madness to send little girls into the men’s toilets.

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Yesterday 13:26

A man should take his child into the men’s toilet. Why on earth would he not?

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 13:27

I think it’s vile but plenty will disagree with me, and say that they can’t be expected to go in the men’s toilets in case they see random penises (Even though it’s not like they are standing there showing the world).

And of course using the accessible toilet is morally wrong.

Father takes daughter into men’s toilets, calling out as he does so. If needs be he shields her view. Girl uses cubicle and washes hands, father and daughter leave.

Or where do we draw the line? Fathers taking daughters into the female changing room at the swimming pool?

But then I think the only people in female facilities are women and girls - boys should go in male facilities by the time they are school age.

Men know they can go in the ladies’ toilet (even the good ones) because it is unlikely to that anyone will speak to them about it.

I’m sure a lot of them are there in good faith but given men are overwhelmingly the cause of assaults on women, the good ones should be aware of that and act accordingly. I had a friend who was a big bloke and if he was walking on the same side of the road as a lone woman in a quiet area, he would make a point of crossing over the road and even turning off as soon as he could because he didn’t want them
to be uncomfortable.

I don’t think we have the right to consent on behalf of other women.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 13:28

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I was not abused in any way . I was raised by a sensible parent in the real world and not wrapped in cotton wool or treated like I was precious . And no I’ve never been spanked . It’s not abuse. If you think that is abuse you must be living in a dream world.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 13:29

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:26

I can’t believe actual mothers like me would put their & their DDs’ comfort over the actual safety of little girls. It’s madness to send little girls into the men’s toilets.

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And for those who for trauma or religious reasons would be distressed - why put them in that position? Nothing is going to happen to a small child who is accompanied by her father in the men’s toilets.

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Yesterday 13:31

I can assure you that men are not stood rubbing their erect cocks in full view in the men’s toilets.
Just as women are not stood in full view with their legs spread wide open fingering themselves.
Adult males should not be in female toilets.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 13:31

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It’s abusive to a bathroom of women for a man to enter. I know there are male cleaners but it can’t be avoided.

If you go out with a child of the opposite sex you need to be able to consider the rights of other people as well.

Crow55 · Yesterday 13:32

shuggles · Yesterday 13:25

Sorry but this is nonsense. While gay men do hang around public toilets, they are generally very discrete and they intentionally don't try to force themselves onto other men (who are most likely straight) as that's asking for trouble.

My son was sexually abused in a toilet and has also experienced wanking next to him since. He did not disclose it at the time because he was scared and ashamed. He has had professional therapy and it absolutely isn’t nonsense. Professionals treating him certainly don’t think it’s nonsense.

Anarchy99 · Yesterday 13:32

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Yesterday 13:31

I can assure you that men are not stood rubbing their erect cocks in full view in the men’s toilets.
Just as women are not stood in full view with their legs spread wide open fingering themselves.
Adult males should not be in female toilets.

Yeah I think some women have no idea what a line of men peeing actually looks like. They probably imagine them waving their cocks about!

Crow55 · Yesterday 13:33

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Yesterday 13:31

I can assure you that men are not stood rubbing their erect cocks in full view in the men’s toilets.
Just as women are not stood in full view with their legs spread wide open fingering themselves.
Adult males should not be in female toilets.

You’re describing healthy men who aren’t abusers. Abusers don’t print it onto their foreheads.

Momtotwokids · Yesterday 13:34

MiceSpiders · Yesterday 11:02

It doesn't make sense to me and seems to be coming out of an American movement online. You don't want you daughter around men in toilets so you a man go into the women's toilets where other people's daughters are

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What is this American issue you are talking about? I am American and took my son in the woman’s room with no problem when he was young.

Yewlez · Yesterday 13:36

Crow55 · Yesterday 13:06

They wait until it’s less visable to others or they’re alone. My son has told me. I believe him.

Then this is a men issue. It needs resolving by dealing with the men. Not by saying women have to let these men into their spaces. How do we know he isn't one of those men? We can't know he is safe. Statistically, he isn't safe.

If men's toilets are a problem because of men's behaviour then deal with the men's behaviour.

DozyCrow · Yesterday 13:36

I only read page 1 and the amount of hand wringing is weird. What do you think the dad is going to do while accompanying a young child? By the time you exit your private cubicle you should be finished and dressed, so nothing for him to see. I wouldn't have wanted my young DDs being taken into the men's loos - they have fewer cubicles, men may be at the urinals, and it's not uncommon for the toilets to be filthy due to men's poor aim. In the first instance they should look for a family room or use the disabled toilet if it's free, but I have no issue with a man showing his young daughter how to use the women's facilities.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 13:38

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 13:26

I can’t believe actual mothers like me would put their & their DDs’ comfort over the actual safety of little girls. It’s madness to send little girls into the men’s toilets.

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By that token 90 percent of the parents bringing their child to swimming lessons are abusive . Forcing their little ds to the women’s changing rooms to get changed . Heaven forbid ! I wonder what the future will be like with all this debauchery going on in the world

ExtraOnions · Yesterday 13:39

Plenty of tired old tropes here, equating homosexuality and paedophilia ..

Crow55 · Yesterday 13:39

Yewlez · Yesterday 13:36

Then this is a men issue. It needs resolving by dealing with the men. Not by saying women have to let these men into their spaces. How do we know he isn't one of those men? We can't know he is safe. Statistically, he isn't safe.

If men's toilets are a problem because of men's behaviour then deal with the men's behaviour.

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No thankyou, others can do that and I suspect it’s impossible to eradicate antway.Us parents will safeguard as we see fit.

Annoyedbyhusband · Yesterday 13:40

Men’s toilets are also often stinking of pee and urinals mean that there are men’s penis’s on show. Little girls should never go into a men’s toilets. On balance a women’s toilets only will have closed cubicals. Unless you are peeking in the sink then there should really be no issue with seeing a man in the sink area of a women’s toilets with his daughter.

Blossoms217 · Yesterday 13:41

I have sons but if I had daughters I would rather my husband take them outside to pee than a men’s toilet !!

PeopleWatching17 · Yesterday 13:41

OhBotherSaidPoo · Yesterday 11:04

No man should enter a woman's toilet.
Good men stay out so bad men stand out.
By making an exemption for Dad of the Year and his darling princess, by accepting that she might be intimidated by men, we are overriding the feelings of other women and girls who will be intimidated by him.

So, where does the girl go to the loo?