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Whole families on UC, PIP, DLA and carers' allowance for each other?

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Hutinthemiddleofnowhere · 05/09/2026 23:03

This isn't a bashing, rather a genuine observation and we're privileged in the UK to have support with benefits and disabilities.

Having adopted 2 siblings with special needs over a decade ago it opened me up to a whole new world to me. With DC in specialist schools and needing a lot of intervention from agencies and medical support I've met so many parents and children. As a teacher this was so insightful and, while having always been extra devoted to students who had difficulties, my own experience as a parent took it to another level.

Teaching, I was always aware and sympathetic to those who barely made it to lesson, almost fell asleep but professionally had to adhere to the 'not participating' and when told to 'fuck off' it was call out. I knew there would be further investigation as to why they act like this by more able and senior colleagues. Didn't take it personally but, as you can imagine, it's difficult when you have several students like this while under the pressure of teaching a tricky maths part of the syllabus.

So as a parent of ND DC I experienced it from the other side. It was very difficult because our DC were causing disruptions due to their severe diagnosis.

Throughout our journey and specialist schools I saw a lot of reality. This comes (finally) back to my point. Year after year it became blatantly obvious that the vast majority of children have parents with their own issues, whether hereditary or learnt behaviour.

I got a job at the primary school as a liason officer so met most parents. All lovely and care about their DC but sadly struggled with managing themselves, their homes etc. Those few who weren't eligible for taxis and escorts (walkable distance) relied heavily on GPs to take and pick up from school. There were some parents who did drive and drop off, like me, but it was about 5%.

So mostly the parents were on UC, claimed PIp for anxiety and MH, got DLA for all DC and also carers' allowance for looking after DC. While i visited it was clear they were were reclusive, their days were spent watching TV, gaming, DC picked up in a taxi and they had struggled to get out of bed, knew they are provided breakfast at school, went back to bed. Yes I've seen this on an early morning visit multiple times.

I understand but also a part of me felt frustrated that they had fallen into a rut, able bodied, could have long conversations, but have had so much support that has enabled this.

As a school we reached out to parents to come and integrate, provided workshops, held informal educational classes how we can help our DC. As a parent and before being employed there I attended these and it so nice to meet other parents. The reality... they just sat there, being served coffee by an already busy TA, talked all the way through the presentations then left, after already leaving several times for a smoke during an hour and half get together. Still as an attending parent at this point I could see TA was struggling so stepped in to help serve the refreshments, set up equipment and clear up afterwards. One Mum asked me to open a window, another asked to give her some biscuits...I was the same as them, a parent, but they were just totally oblivious to the situation.

Then walking out, having cleaned up and they were chatting outside, all I heard was that was so boring, I know how to bring up my kids, waste of time coming out, so what you doing now, probably Netflix.

Then getting the role and seeing deeper into their lifestyles it confirmed that actually so many of these parents had come from a generational cycle with low aspirations and no encouragement within modern education, social workers or support from us all could change their mindsets of behaviour. Sadly it really is a case of we get money, DC have their consoles, school provides meals and exercise, bags of amazing stuff at Christmas and end of year which we don't even say thank you for, we can complain online if we don't like something etc.

This is just the basic circumstances, delve deeper and you would be shocked at how some of these poor kids live. A whole different thread would have to be made about drug dealing, violence, not allowing DC in the house so they have to become one of the balaclava gangs and so much more.

As parents, even if we have our own issues, we all need to put our DC first, not rely on others to do it for us.

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Greenseacat · 11/09/2026 13:23

Another day, another benefit and disability bashing thread.

I really think people like you need a new, healthier hobby and need to ask themselves what is so lacking in their own life that they feel the need to try to attack people who simply qualify for benefits.

Owninterpreter · 11/09/2026 13:26

roaringdragon · 11/09/2026 12:54

My post wasn’t about the relative poverty figure. It was in response to the pp saying £530 per week is more than a lot of people have after working all week.

A family of 2 adults and 2 DC with earnings of £530 pw would be entitled to benefits. The would receive child benefit. As long as they didn’t have capital over the limit, they would also receive UC. That applies even if they didn’t have housing costs.

But i though pp said £530 is more than a lot of people working people have left after housing costs? Not as a total income. . Im in a right muddle :) now.

I think that poster hasn't factored in a lot of working people fall into relative poverty too and the levels of poverty within relative poverty vary.

roaringdragon · 11/09/2026 13:31

Owninterpreter · 11/09/2026 13:26

But i though pp said £530 is more than a lot of people working people have left after housing costs? Not as a total income. . Im in a right muddle :) now.

I think that poster hasn't factored in a lot of working people fall into relative poverty too and the levels of poverty within relative poverty vary.

The pp said “£530 a week after housing costs is a lot and more than a lot of people have after working all week.” I was pointing out that a family with 2A2C who worked all week and only had £530 per week would be receiving benefits on top of their earnings. That would apply even if they didn’t have housing costs.

Again, I wasn’t talking about the relative figure.

YourGoldLurker · 11/09/2026 13:32

Greenseacat · 11/09/2026 13:23

Another day, another benefit and disability bashing thread.

I really think people like you need a new, healthier hobby and need to ask themselves what is so lacking in their own life that they feel the need to try to attack people who simply qualify for benefits.

I'm just waiting for someone to tell me that I should get a mop and bucket and go out washing people's windows or cutting grass instead of being on disability benefits (and nothing wrong with either job).

Kirbert2 · 11/09/2026 13:38

YourGoldLurker · 11/09/2026 13:32

I'm just waiting for someone to tell me that I should get a mop and bucket and go out washing people's windows or cutting grass instead of being on disability benefits (and nothing wrong with either job).

My favourite suggestion on a previous thread was to just get a job and then use the money to pay for a carer for my child.

x2boys · 11/09/2026 13:50

YourGoldLurker · 11/09/2026 13:32

I'm just waiting for someone to tell me that I should get a mop and bucket and go out washing people's windows or cutting grass instead of being on disability benefits (and nothing wrong with either job).

Have you thought about taking n ironing
Or getting a lodger?another mumsnet favourite

Thewonderfuldollypartonsbra · 11/09/2026 13:55

YourGoldLurker · 11/09/2026 13:05

Have you ever gone through the process of trying to get Pip ? When I was awarded ADP which is the Scottish equivalent I got a two year award. Very few people on Pip get lifetime awards. Also. I doubt very much whether ambulances would come to someone's door just because they felt ill. I fractured my leg in three places two years ago and under no circumstances would I have qualified for an ambulance. My brother had to take me to hospital and then I had to get taxis.

The DWP can overrule a fit note. My GP was overruled several times. You have to provide evidence to get Pip and ADP

Im pretty sure there are people who abuse the system but having been through the process of trying to get LCWRA three times I have never got it for mental health. I suffer from PTSD anxiety and depression. I scored zero every time. Even though I had evidence to back the conditions I have. Yours and other peoples posts seem to be suggesting that it's really easy to get disability benefits. That wasn't my experience and it's not a lot of other peoples experiences either.

Btw my anxiety is crippling. It's a real condition which impacts my life greatly. It's not something that I would invent to get disability benefits.

No I haven't and it sounds like i wouldn't wish it on anyone

The process is unfair to the genuine people who need it

I did say I don't have an issue with the genuine people-we need to have a safety net for anyone who is disabled or needs extra support

In fact i think the process should be much simpler,for longer and more money-people do not choose to become disabled (i have arthritis and that's bad enough)

I did also say that these people are not genuine and that they have got nowhere with their claims (apart from convincing themselves they or their child have whatever)

Where there is a welfare system,there will always be someone who is trying to swing the lead

I've never claimed (there but for the grace of god) but i do work and have no issues with paying taxes to help the genuine ones who need it

Sorry,I missed about the ambulance-she will walk into my work,fake faint (its so fake its almost laughable) and then dial 999 while telling them it's her heart and that she feels it's going to stop

I've seen it with my own eyes that they do come out quickly-when I needed an ambulance myself (which was much needed) I waited 9 hours and my mil waited 6 and a half hours after collapsing at home (which then lead to a operation that she badly needed)

I will say time and time again that the system is wrong,it needs to be much simpler,awarded for longer and with dignity

But there is always one who tries to cheat the system and in this woman's case,it's learned behaviour from generations of her family

TigerRag · 11/09/2026 15:27

YourGoldLurker · 11/09/2026 13:05

Have you ever gone through the process of trying to get Pip ? When I was awarded ADP which is the Scottish equivalent I got a two year award. Very few people on Pip get lifetime awards. Also. I doubt very much whether ambulances would come to someone's door just because they felt ill. I fractured my leg in three places two years ago and under no circumstances would I have qualified for an ambulance. My brother had to take me to hospital and then I had to get taxis.

The DWP can overrule a fit note. My GP was overruled several times. You have to provide evidence to get Pip and ADP

Im pretty sure there are people who abuse the system but having been through the process of trying to get LCWRA three times I have never got it for mental health. I suffer from PTSD anxiety and depression. I scored zero every time. Even though I had evidence to back the conditions I have. Yours and other peoples posts seem to be suggesting that it's really easy to get disability benefits. That wasn't my experience and it's not a lot of other peoples experiences either.

Btw my anxiety is crippling. It's a real condition which impacts my life greatly. It's not something that I would invent to get disability benefits.

There's no such thing as a lifetime award. You can get an ongoing award which I have. But they assess you every 10 years or so

sashh · 12/09/2026 06:16

menopausequeen · 05/09/2026 23:37

Well why can’t OP bash a bit? It’s a mess and benefits have caused this. They have strapped whole families in this apathy and contempt for work and meant they don’t contribute to society and have no self esteem.
stopping their PIP for ‘mental health’ or apathy (save PIP and other benefits for people battling actual physical illness or mental illness like schizophrenia) would cause short term pain but be so much better long term.
we can’t afford to pay for people like this and we are actually taking away their agency and self worth.

No one gets PIP just for 'mental health'.

OP

From the description of 'boring' maybe it was. Maybe the school was preaching at people and people do not like that.

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 06:30

sashh · 12/09/2026 06:16

No one gets PIP just for 'mental health'.

OP

From the description of 'boring' maybe it was. Maybe the school was preaching at people and people do not like that.

No one gets PIP just for mental health? They very much do actually.

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 08:49

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 06:30

No one gets PIP just for mental health? They very much do actually.

No. They get it for how their mental health issues affect their daily life.

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 08:55

Just like to point out as well that people on benefits very much can and do "contribute to society". There are people on pip and LCWRA who work. There are people who volunteer. There are people on UC who work. I spent a year on UC working a zero hours job and there were times I got a decent amount of hours. When I was offered more hours I never said no. However my contracted hours were 8 a week and a lot of people are in similar positions.

I don't know how people seem to think that everyone on benefits sits doing nothing.

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 09:01

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 08:49

No. They get it for how their mental health issues affect their daily life.

Yes? So the only reason they get is because of mental health.

x2boys · 12/09/2026 09:24

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 09:01

Yes? So the only reason they get is because of mental health.

Well mental health conditions cover s very broad spectrum ranging from mild anxiety
To severe and enduring mental illness such aa Schizophrenia .

EmeraldShamrock000 · 12/09/2026 09:26

x2boys · 11/09/2026 07:41

Nobody has a luxury lifestyle on universal credit .

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Agreed. The people that poster describes are probably selling drugs on the side. 😅

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 09:30

Id also like to say that Pip doesn't turn someone's job seeking requirements off. Only lcwra does that and to have job seeking requirements turned off when your kids get DLA they have to be on a certain rate of DLA and care needs to be provided for 35 hours a week.

The inference in this thread is that these people are scamming the system. If that's the case why don't you report them. It really does get tiresome when people say that they know full families that get this that and the next, implying that they don't really qualify or they shouldn't be getting the benefits. If you're so sure that they are committing benefit fraud -because that's what's being implied -report them and let the DWP decide.

People can't have it all ways. Sitting suggesting that loads of people they know are scamming the system and do nothing about it. Pip fraud is actually very low. Most of it is caused by people not reporting changes to their health

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 09:35

Hutinthemiddleofnowhere · 06/09/2026 00:43

I've just typed as I've thought. Sorry but yes sadly this has been my experience as a Mum and support at a SEN primary school.

So all of these parents you are talking about have kids who have special educational needs. If so why the criticism of parents applying for DLA. I find that very odd. I have a friend who has three kids with disabilities. They all get DLA. There's really nothing unusual in this scenario

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 09:39

x2boys · 12/09/2026 09:24

Well mental health conditions cover s very broad spectrum ranging from mild anxiety
To severe and enduring mental illness such aa Schizophrenia .

There's statistics available for it all. 350k claim for anxiety and depression alone...

x2boys · 12/09/2026 09:42

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 09:39

There's statistics available for it all. 350k claim for anxiety and depression alone...

Both of which can be very severe
And they will need evidence from mental health professionsls .

x2boys · 12/09/2026 09:46

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 09:35

So all of these parents you are talking about have kids who have special educational needs. If so why the criticism of parents applying for DLA. I find that very odd. I have a friend who has three kids with disabilities. They all get DLA. There's really nothing unusual in this scenario

Yep i would think every child who is in a SEN primary school would be entitled to DLA the very fact they are there rather than in mainstream suggests their needs are signifcant .

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 09:50

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 09:39

There's statistics available for it all. 350k claim for anxiety and depression alone...

I claim it for anxiety and depression. I went through some very traumatic experiences over the period of a year and then I got diagnosed with PTSD. I had a breakdown in 2024. Depression can be a killer. I spent a lot of time struggling on before I tried to claim ADP and I get 76.70 a week in that benefit. I got the award for two years and it's about to be renewed. I had to evidence the conditions I have and how it affects my daily life.

I certainly don't minimise anxiety and depression given that I suffer from both.

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 10:06

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 09:50

I claim it for anxiety and depression. I went through some very traumatic experiences over the period of a year and then I got diagnosed with PTSD. I had a breakdown in 2024. Depression can be a killer. I spent a lot of time struggling on before I tried to claim ADP and I get 76.70 a week in that benefit. I got the award for two years and it's about to be renewed. I had to evidence the conditions I have and how it affects my daily life.

I certainly don't minimise anxiety and depression given that I suffer from both.

I didn't offer any judgement either way. I merely pointed out that it is wrong to say nobody claims for mental health.

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 10:14

FirmSnake · 12/09/2026 10:06

I didn't offer any judgement either way. I merely pointed out that it is wrong to say nobody claims for mental health.

You made a post stating how many people claim it for anxiety and depression. Anxiety and depression alone. Certain mental health conditions get minimised. It's all the way through this thread. People shouldn't get Pip for anxiety. Anxiety is nothing. People should only get pip for schizophrenia. Take their Pip off them.

ChloeKellys · 12/09/2026 10:16

YourGoldLurker · 12/09/2026 10:14

You made a post stating how many people claim it for anxiety and depression. Anxiety and depression alone. Certain mental health conditions get minimised. It's all the way through this thread. People shouldn't get Pip for anxiety. Anxiety is nothing. People should only get pip for schizophrenia. Take their Pip off them.

Apparently some people can't work due to anxiety. Not even part time or anything. But they can post on MN

GiaGia16 · 12/09/2026 10:17

ChloeKellys · 12/09/2026 10:16

Apparently some people can't work due to anxiety. Not even part time or anything. But they can post on MN

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