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To think in life being a nice, good person rarely counts for much?

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Autumncalm · 04/09/2026 14:07

I’ve noticed in life that being nice, helpful, honest, reliable, trustworthy rarely count for much.

For example when I was at school (and I still see the same thing happening now at my children’s school), horrible bully type kids can be the most popular and rarely get any kind of consequences for being nasty. It seems as though no one wants to get on the wrong side of the bullies.

My children play in football teams and one of the coaches always goes on about turning up to training, being a good team player, listening, trying your best. But the truth is they only want the best players. There are players that rarely turn up to training, are nasty to other kids, but because they are naturally talented players they still get to play a full game every week, get man of the match and so on

I see it happen at work. One of my colleagues got really badly bullied by another colleague she even had email proof and it went to HR but nothing happened to the bully colleague because she is admittedly good at her job and has experiences that others don’t.

It’s not always like that, one of my children never got picked for anything at primary school even though he tried his best, behaved etc but once he got to secondary his good nature paid off and they started actually rewarding effort and good behaviour but I do believe that often in life that the values we are told to have don’t really get you anywhere.

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gannett · 09/09/2026 09:53

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 09/09/2026 09:45

Oh absolutely 😂

See the thread at the moment about judging how many people someone has had sex with 🙄

Haha yes absolutely.

The common mindset is self-righteousness. People who pat themselves on the back for being Nice and Good, who wear Appropriate Clothes and Follow Etiquette and Aren't Cheap Hussies, and who also watch everyone else like a hawk for any infractions of the above.

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2026 10:01

gannett · 09/09/2026 09:53

Haha yes absolutely.

The common mindset is self-righteousness. People who pat themselves on the back for being Nice and Good, who wear Appropriate Clothes and Follow Etiquette and Aren't Cheap Hussies, and who also watch everyone else like a hawk for any infractions of the above.

To be fair, a couple of prominent posters on that thread were male incels in a rage. But yes, plenty of "I am morally superior because I have less sex" nonsense. I was actually surprised at how many women still see sex as something they "give" to men rather than something they actually enjoy itself.

dontcookwontcook · 09/09/2026 10:03

Yes I think you are right. I know a few people who are always on the take, looking for a come up or just plain miserable and tbh, they don’t seem to have suffered at all. But maybe other people think that about me. I used to be a people pleaser and that sucked. Life is much better when I put myself first actually.

gannett · 09/09/2026 10:11

There's a huge puritanical, anti-sex undercurrent on MN. A lot of it is disguised because slagging off men for liking sex will generally get posters applauded on this site, but the mask slips the minute the subject of women maybe liking sex comes up.

Reading those threads I always think asexuality is much more common than we think - it's just that a lot of those anti-sex people are also the kind of people who think labelling sexuality is a self-indulgent modern fad.

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2026 10:12

One key thing about karma (the real concept, not the imaginary personal vengeful god kind which would actually be contrary to some very basic tenets of Buddhism) is that it frequently isn't visible.

From the link I shared earlier: Because kamma is primarily psychological (i.e. intention), its manifestation is primarily psychological. It only affects our physical form and circumstances to the degree that the mind can have an influence on the physical, as for example when prolonged worry can cause physical illness. The main effect kamma has upon us is how we feel (happy, neutral or unhappy) and which realm we will be reborn into.

Whatever one thinks of this, I think we do all agree that you don't know someone's state of mind just by looking at their external life and the things they have. People who go on about karma without understanding what it actually is are often very clued in to their own invisible suffering but less aware that the suffering of others might be invisible too, including those on whom they wish it.

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Very pass -agg of you for someone with such a nice life

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