AIBU to think school skirt bans undermine choice rather than equality?

Trouser or skirts which aren’t so short they can’t bend over without revealing their underwear are the answer. Some young girls really do love to make a spectacle of themselves. They’re indecent.

What are the reasons behind turning then into a short skirt?

Boys just wear uniforms girls feel a to perform and aren't happy with themselves as they are and this is all ok?

And why do they only do it wearing their school skirts? Why aren't they wearing other skirts that are ridiculously short?

It seems to be all about pushing boundaries and breaking rules, to me, which is what kids have always done, except we give them so few boundaries these days they have to be outrageous to break them.

I'm a nurse. It may vary from trust to trust but where I work (NHS Scotland) there is no option to wear a skirt or dress as part of my uniform. I wear a tunic top and trousers.

Uniforms aren't about choice, they are (funnily enough given the name) about uniformity.

"banning school skirts reinforces the opinion that to be equal, women need to be more like men."
I wear trousers or shorts most of the time. At no point has doing this made me feel like a man.

Also, skirts are not universally the traditional attire of women. Ever heard of a kilt? I think calling this a "removal of women's rights" is quite a stretch.

Many of them round here.

For roughly 190 days a year, for a few short years, it’s fine.

Think of the decades of skirt wearing ahead.

I agree with you. I own one pair of jeans as I find them restrictive. Skirts/dresses and tights (or bike shorts in the summer) are far more practical.
If short skirts are an issue now, tight trousers will be one in the future.

Where is round here?

It's tights I can't bear wearing.

Absolutely! DC’s school brought in a skirt ban after a term of horrific upskirting incidents.

banning skirts (after having previously banned trousers 🙄) made the girls feel like they were the problem rather than the boys behaviour.

The school hadn’t thought of it that way. They were trying to help girls feel safer.

the school compromised by keeping the skirt ban but increasing the range of acceptable school trouser styles. Many girls choose to wear leggings now and as long as they’re not sports fabrics (unless in PE), it’s gone rather more successfully and has been hailed as a ‘CoL change’ rather than a ‘boys will be boys’ attitude. They’re doing more work on challenging misogynistic attitudes as well.

I only wear natural ones (cotton, bamboo, wool). But having the choice means everyone can choose what's comfiest and most practical for them!

IMO you’re right, and the same principle applies to other things, too. E.g. actresses wanting to be referred to as ‘actors’, as if they think the male descriptor is superior - so implying that the male role itself is somehow more worthy than the female.

IMO it’s anti-feminist!

Around where I live I would support unless there is a way to get teenage girls to stop rolling their skirts up!
But I would make uniforms ugly as in everyone wears slim fitting joggers and a cotton polo shirt and a sweater or cardigan and basic black trainers !
I know the uniforms are supposed to look smart but tiny rolled up skirt aren’t, so.

We were soooo happy when trousers were allowed. Most wore them.

Even boys?

The main reason is the fashion for ultra short skirts. Girls will roll up the standard length skirts to incredibly short. They have no idea what this looks like when their walking upstairs - everything on show. This is inappropriate in a school or work setting, with or without raging teen hormones.

It's not about reducing choice, stopping boys wearing skirts or getting girls to dress more like men, or to promote equality.

North east. Teesside.

Until you start having to deal with ‘sagging’…

As far as I know I don't see purposeful sagging in secondary school.

If you worked in a school you would see why.
Many wear them so short we can literally see their knickers. Many also wear a thong, so we can see their bum - they don't care. It's gross, especially when they're going up the stai in front of you.
Removing the skirt means teachers are not constantly asking kids to unroll their skirt, issuing detentions etc.
It's sad, but SO many girls refuse to comply with normal skirt lengths.

Actor is not a male descriptor. It is gender neutral. They are not saying the male descriptor is superior, they are saying there is no need for a separate female descriptor. Most other professions don't have it. You don't hear people talking about their doctress or their solicitress. Referring to everyone in the profession, regardless of gender, as an actor puts them all on an equal footing. In an industry rife with gender equality and huge gender pay gaps, this is very important.

In general, we are moving towards gender neutrality with job titles. It's why we now have police officers instead of policemen, for example. Striving for equality is not in any way anti-feminist.

Trousers solve the problem of girls rolling up skirts so high they're invisible. I have boys, but id hate my daughter to want to do this or feel pressured to. Just as id hate my boys to get into trouble for looking when its hard not to sometimes - kids are curious and I suspect would naturally look if following a girl upstairs. Even doing this as an adult I had to consciously look elsewhere recently as i didn't want an eyeful of bum cheek - it must be awful for teachers.

Choice should be trousers or shorts for all, free up teachers time from being skirt police, simpler for everyone.

For pp talking about 'choice' of school, there often isn't one. Ds has gone to second choice (first choice was our catchment school but still didn't get in), no other options nearby.

Even if a boy looks it's completely natural and I wouldn't hold it against them. Girls shouldn't be flashing their knickers

But short skirts aren’t in fashion. They haven’t been for years.
Personally, I’d be very happy with trousers for all schoolchildren.

That you end up showing off bare flesh, your bum, your underwear. Its not appropriate.