AIBU to think school skirt bans undermine choice rather than equality?

No boys can't..girls can because it's socially normal to wear. Boys shouldn't dress like girls.

You didn't answer my question.

As I said. It's not normal. It's weird and encourages weak effeminate men.

I think girls who already have the skirts should be able to wear them while they are still attending the school (if they still fit). Any ban should only be for new students. I think skirts and shorts should be allowed though, especially in warm weather.

Feminine = weak does it? Wow. You really are on another planet.

No. BOYS need to control themselves in public. They're not bloody animals. Making excuses for them is part of rape culture.

And fuck off with the 'it's not normal for boys to wear skirts'. MEN and boys wear kilts and it's really bloody masculine. Nothing feminine about it. Men in plenty of cultures wear robes.

Nothing weak about femininity. Women have much higher pain thresholds than men. And as you've said, boys and men can't control themselves and what they look at. Another weakness.

Your ideas are sexist as fuck.

Misandry.

I hope you don’t have sons! What about kilts?

Exactly. My mixed race little one is on the curvier side bum wise with lean legs and flared wide leg trousers are great but anything else just highlights her 'peachy bum' as her Primary school friends called it. Her partially pleated school skirt covers all of this, she would really struggle being self conscious at school all day in trousers.

Do you not think it's a perfectly natural human reaction for a young teenage boy to perhaps look at a classmate's knickers if she's purposely showing them?

Do you think young boys should be allowed to wear dresses as well? Men dress like men. And women dress like women.

So girls make their skirts as short as possible so boys look at theit knickers yet have a problem whrn boys look and boys shouldn't be doing what girls what them to do?

Sure i dont get any of it myself but why are girls making their skirts as short as possible then? They don't want boys to look so why do it?

You really have a problem with this.

Women and girls don’t dress for men and boys.

Utterly pathetic.

for which hormonal teenagers?

I never wore trousers at that age, such a faff if you got your period suddenly, or a leak. Going for a pee is a faff in trousers. So this sounds as though it is girls having to compromise to help the boys out.

yep - i was in the army and for many jobs the women ever ever wore trousers. (I was in a more active field-type role and rarely wore a skirt after training)

but i chose to go into that job - i didn't choose to go to school so why be forced to wear trousers? If teachers/schools are unable to enforce skirt length that really does say a lot about the staff/schools (we had to kneel on the floor if our skirts were suspected of being too short, if they touched the floor, fine, if not - detention and come back with a skirt the correct length)

If this is an attempt to release girls from boys looking up their skirts - again, that is just putting someone else's failure to behave on the girls.

Same as it ever was.

i don't live in UK (No uniforms here, no issues apart from the "no spaghetti straps" rule and the male teachers accusing the girls of wearing too-low-cut blouses until one of the women teachers actually pointed out that for sure they can see the cleavage when they walk around a classroom of seated girls so that one was nipped in the bud and the male teachers had to alter their behaviour)

But. When i am out and about in the UK during home-time or seeing kids on their way to school i have never seen anyone's bum cheeks or knickers. The girls i have seen either wear joggers, trousers (and they seem to be girls' cut trousers) or skirts that are just about on the knee.

You could just get trousers that suit her shape like the "flared wide leg trousers" that you say are "great".

but are they available? What i read on MN constantly on uniform threads is that there isn't enough of a range style of trousers so girls can pick the ones that fit properly.

UK (or possibly only England) school uniform rules are batshit

Their behaviour being... walking around the classroom? That doesn't seem like an inappropriate thing to do while teaching.

I know plenty of women more masculine than a lot of men.

I also know lesbians (therefore attracted to women) who manage not to stare at attractive women. Gay teenage boys would get the shit kicked out of them if they gazed lustfully at hot boys in shorts during gym. Therefore boys CAN control their staring.

Your definition of men and women is Victorian. Very very out of date. Wake up to the 21st century.

Stop with the covert rape apology rage baiting.

Most UK schools just have a colour for trousers (and a rule, say, no leggings). So black. Or grey.

Based purely on how the local girls dress, trousers would be better, I volunteer in a shop near the secondary school and I can tell you the trends in underwear due to the girls flashing it so often. Trust me, I’m not trying to look, but I’m a safeguarding specialist and I am concerned that certain individuals might have those secret camera glasses etc on the pavement and be filming them for gratification. It’s so icky. Just a couple of inches more of skirt would eliminate the problem.

if you have teenage girls who want to wear such short skirts please encourage them to wear little shorts underneath as a minimum, not thongs!

It's not rape or close to rape to look. It's wrong to comment, take pictures or touch without permission.

Genetically men are more attracted to the visual it's a cold hard fact. Hormonal teenage boys are definitely going to take a peek or two. It's perfectly normal and I wouldn't say "oh they shouldn't be looking". The girl should not be wearing underwear visibly if she didn't expect peers to look at it.