To not be surprised a 35 year old with a history of eating disorder would struggle to get pregnant (lily Collins)

You wouldn't be selling and your friend wouldn't be buying. It would still mess with the childs head later in life.

Why will it be throughly loved? Because Lily Colllins threw some cash at a poor person to do the hard work for her?

Im fucking sick of surrogates being the invisible party in these conversations

You don't give another woman a chance at being pregnant

You talk like pregnancy without a baby benefits women in any way. It’s extremely invasive and risky and brings a lot of complications. It’s not a blessing that us women are chomping at the bit to have

Totally. Great story with a lovely outcome. I’m all for surrogacy as you have described more out of love and family than money and exploitation.

I realise I made loads of typos in that post. The sister gave birth alone (well with her girlfriend there) and called her sister and BIL when she had the baby.

30+ year old mothers are not getting pregnant within 2 years & delivering every baby they conceive healthily/naturally

I did. Got pregnant VERY quickly in my mid-30s. I had a c-section but that's nothing to do with my age, my mum's labours were very similar and she was in her 20s.

You are talking out of your arse.

I must be imagining the naturally conceived child I had in my 30’s.

My grandma was pregnant with my dad when she was 47!! She already had 2 adult children. That was in the 50’s

Similar could be said about many illnesses that ruin your body, drugs, alcohol, anorexia, obesity, yet women who suffer these issues manage to give birth more times than not.

I don't necessarily believe a lot of these celebrities who use surrogacy and claim their reasons are medical.

I believe many do if for convenience.

It's a disgusting practice that will definitely be frowned on in the future.

It's a nasty business selling human beings to anyone who can afford to pay for it, no questions ask, once you can pay.

Those saying she effectively purchased a baby, what would you say about someone who had to pay for private IVF. They effectively bought one as well if it ended in a living baby.

They are similar and I've never seen anyone comment so harshly on that scenario. I don't think Lilly would get this bashing if the papers reported she had fertility treatment.

It's a very extreme form of fertility treatment used entirely by woman who wants babies so not a massive stretch to guess she can't have them naturally?

Used entirely by women? Not at all, not that I object to men using surrogates, many do.

There was a local fundraiser to bring 3 premature babies back to Ireland from Africa a couple of year's ago.

The food was too expensive for premature babies and birth mam did not want to feed babies she wasn't keeping.

The fathers went to Africa as it was cheaper and objected to selectively aborting one due to their culture.

That is a local story otherwise I wouldn't know of it.

It usually takes 2 women anyway. One for egg donation, another for carrying.
As the carrier mustn't be related to the baby fir a heap of different reasons.

Then there is abandoned babies born with defects, that are left behind.

@Rainbow450 Fertility treatment doesn't require another woman to risk their life.

Presumably the surrogate was free to accept or not, and under european laws you cant oay a surrogate mother so ethically i dont anything wrong with using a surrogate if you cant carry child yourself.

however though i also agree that there shouldnt be any stigmas regarding adoption. But I also understand that someone would prefer to have a child with their own genes pool.

surrogacy imo is wrong if the surrogate is being paid and if there is coercition/exploitation like there could be in some countries.

i was going to offer to be a surrogate for a couple very very dear to me if they hadnt been able to have their child and she wasnt able to carry the foetus.
it took them over 10yrs.

They didn’t need to use another woman’s body in having a baby.

or did you forget that surrogates are people?

I totally disagree with that. It messes a child head if you lie about it or dont explain it and the reasons why properly. It s a very grnerous act

you only go down the surrogacy route when you want a baby you can't have yourself

I think it's well known that many celebrities go down the surrogacy route because they don't want their career to be impacted - taking time out whilst pregnant and then having the changes to the body that pregnancy can bring.

It doesn't really matter though what the reason is. I remain of the view that surrogacy is genuinely evil.

I suspect that with the Ozempic phenomena and this trend to look as if they’ve been dug up by an archaeologist, celebs also don’t want to spot pregnancy body

Those saying she effectively purchased a baby, what would you say about someone who had to pay for private IVF. They effectively bought one as well if it ended in a living baby.

WTF? No. Paying for IVF is not the same as surrogacy. How could you even think the two are compatible?

I totally disagree with that. It messes a child.
There are 1000s of young Australia adults born in the 80s who made contact with the sperm donor, who is biologically their father once the laws changed in 2017.
I don't see how many of these children won't feel the same in their futures.and be curious.

I'm not saying this to be provocative, but would it? Because I know adopted adults who feel very loved, having grown up in secure homes. Does a baby being removed from it's biological mother at birth automatically mean it's going to be psychology impacted? This isn't an argument for or against surrogacy - I've no skin in that game - it's more a healthy scepticism that the only way an adult can be psychologically sound is if it's 'mother' is its biological mother. I think it's a line that's trotted out without much backing.

The two aren't comparable. I am adopted, and I love my parents very much. It is much easier to come to terms with as I know I was removed from my mother because despite loving me, she wasn't able to care for me. If I knew she had become pregnant with the intent to give me away for money I would be devastated.

I agree with you, but this woman said an altruistic surrogate who was willing to carry a child for an infertile friend would be "messing with the [baby's] head for the rest of its life". I'm not convinced that's true.

I know lots of people (including myself) pregnant over 35. I know quite a few pregnant after eating disorders that stopped their periods for years.

Calling a woman "barren" and speculating over the reasons for her infertility is really distasteful. If you have ethical concerns about surrogacy- which I share in some but not all circumstances- then you should be able to express them without being cruel to infertile women.

Disgusting thread, OP. You come across as a nasty, judgemental person.

Has anyone got any evidence about how 'traumatic' it is for a newborn to be born to a surrogate, btw? Loads of people saying it here.