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To not be surprised a 35 year old with a history of eating disorder would struggle to get pregnant (lily Collins)

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Waterweight · 01/02/2025 13:36

In regards to the news lily Collins has welcomed her first child via surrogacy & the whole issues surrounding surrogacy

A few people have questioned why another celebrity has gone down the route of surrogacy when they can afford fertility treatment/time off/therapy if unable to conceive

But surely at 35+ with a history of having an eating disorder she would be, to put it "lightly" basically barren ? & Viewed as such by any professional doctor who understands realistic fertility windows & health

Not saying she didn't/doesn't deserve children but where do you draw the line at the right to have kids versus the reality of some people being unable to ?

OP posts:
Guavafish1 · 01/02/2025 14:45

easy option for the rich

Lurkinmn · 01/02/2025 14:47

OP it's a disgusting post. She did whatever worked for her. What's the point of this post.
Also, when life expectancy is nearly 90 years, why shouldn't women have DC at 35. You sound very bitter and uneducated. Get a grip!

crumblingschools · 01/02/2025 14:53

How many rich actresses have been surrogates for poor women?

WhingeInTheWillows · 01/02/2025 14:53

A baby is just another commodity to be bought and sold. There are laws regulating this industry but the laws are bent and twisted by money. Women that need money will make your bed, stitch your clothes, birth your baby.

viques · 01/02/2025 14:57

Lurkinmn · 01/02/2025 14:47

OP it's a disgusting post. She did whatever worked for her. What's the point of this post.
Also, when life expectancy is nearly 90 years, why shouldn't women have DC at 35. You sound very bitter and uneducated. Get a grip!

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Isn’t that the point ”she did whatever worked for her”

But surrogacy involves two other people. One of whom has absolutely no say in the matter. So who decides what works for them?

JandamiHash · 01/02/2025 14:59

Lurkinmn · 01/02/2025 14:47

OP it's a disgusting post. She did whatever worked for her. What's the point of this post.
Also, when life expectancy is nearly 90 years, why shouldn't women have DC at 35. You sound very bitter and uneducated. Get a grip!

Edited

What about what works for the surrogate and baby?

Waterweight · 01/02/2025 15:00

Lurkinmn · 01/02/2025 14:47

OP it's a disgusting post. She did whatever worked for her. What's the point of this post.
Also, when life expectancy is nearly 90 years, why shouldn't women have DC at 35. You sound very bitter and uneducated. Get a grip!

Edited

There's a difference between life expectancy (ie. 90) & fertility window (ie. Between puberty & 30's)

OP posts:
MounjaroOnMyMind · 01/02/2025 15:03

JimHalpertsWife · 01/02/2025 14:04

When wealthy women choose to surrogate then maybe we can debate it. It's exploitative as it's a choice made by women who need the money.

I completely agree with this but think that's separate to talking about one particular woman who might be on here.

IncaDove · 01/02/2025 15:04

Waterweight · 01/02/2025 15:00

There's a difference between life expectancy (ie. 90) & fertility window (ie. Between puberty & 30's)

You're speaking nonsense.

You sound like a certain type of bitter man who spouts this kind of hateful shit about woman and girls.

IncaDove · 01/02/2025 15:08

You clearly believe a woman's value lies in her ability to have babies.

And no, the fertility window is not from puberty. You are suggesting that my daughter, who started her periods at age 9, is better equipped to carry a pregnancy than a adult woman.

Tapofthemorning · 01/02/2025 15:15

Gingernaut · 01/02/2025 13:50

Everyone who says "No one held a gun to the surrogate's head" is being disingenuous

Times are hard, money is extremely tight and if the last thing a woman has to sell is her own body, then capitalism has won

This is human trafficking plain and simple

Edited

I know about human trafficking and - irrespective of my views on surrogacy - it's really not. Please read up on what human trafficking actually is - a barbaric practice where women (or children) are lied to and then shipped across boarders, often to be forced into the sex trade so others can financially benefit. These women might live in tiny, cramped conditions and forced to have sex multiple times a day with many men. As for effectively "blaming" a women for suffering infertility for a) her age and b) suffering from an often deadly illness, that's both judgemental and appalling.

StrawberryDream24 · 01/02/2025 15:20

Waterweight · 01/02/2025 15:00

There's a difference between life expectancy (ie. 90) & fertility window (ie. Between puberty & 30's)

Fertility window does not end in the 30s for many women.

It never has.

StrawberryDream24 · 01/02/2025 15:33

The possible effect of an eating disorder is one thing but referring to a woman being 35 as an obvious factor for her being "barren" is utterly weird...... You do realise the average age of a first time mother in the UK is around 31. That the number of women in their 40s having babies has now overtaken women under 20. That the NHS fertility page states (if it's still there) that 90% of women 39 and under will fall pregnant within two years of trying.

There was only one woman below mid 30s in my antenatal class.

There is no 35 cliff, there never has been (take it from someone who lives in a country where many couples didn't use contraception due to religious influence until recently ... The majority didn't stop having babies at 35. They'd probably have been over the moon if they had).

People who aren't good at non binary thinking seem to interpret the increasing decrease around 35 in fertility as a cliff. Steeper decrease is not a cliff.

There are 40s, especially early 40s, women on the pregnancy choices forum on here nearly very week, having to contemplate terminations because of misinformation like this.

Waterweight · 01/02/2025 15:46

@StrawberryDream24 "You do realise the average age of a first time mother in the UK is around 31. That the number of women in their 40s having babies has now overtaken women under 20. That the NHS fertility page states (if it's still there) that 90% of women 39 and under will fall pregnant within two years of trying"

Sorry but the UK only ranks highly for 30's+ births because of fertility treatments, access to healthcare & overall general health & the 'statistics' is largely is based on live births

30+ year old mothers are not getting pregnant within 2 years & delivering every baby they conceive healthily/naturally let alone when you get into the 40+ year old mothers taking into account miscarriages, IVF, women who wait longer then 2 years ect.

My purpose of the post was the surprise other people would question the decision to use a surrogate mother when the biological mother is simply not in the ideal age or health range despite her looks for a first time mum & probably couldn't have carried naturally or would have based on how far they were willing to go for it.

OP posts:
IncaDove · 01/02/2025 15:57

You have presented no evidence to back up your claims. Therefore, your comments just come across as the ramblings of a misogynistic man

Rainbow450 · 01/02/2025 16:04

What a horrible thread. It's not for us to judge why she went down the surrogacy route. Infertility is very painful so I'm glad she's finally got the family she wanted. That baby will be thoroughly loved.

StrawberryDream24 · 01/02/2025 16:09

Sorry but the UK only ranks highly for 30's+ births because of fertility treatments, access to healthcare & overall general health & the 'statistics' is largely is based on live births

What percentage of women in their 30s use fertility treatment to have a live birth??

If more women have a live birth at 35 without fertility treatment than with fertility treatment -(have a guess which is correct) your point that LC being 35 is a significant reason for her being "barren" (lovely) is null and void.

Oh and the average age of women having their first child in the UK is younger than the average age of the women starting IVF ...so it doesn't stack up that the average age of first birth has been raised by IVF.

Laoise542 · 01/02/2025 16:11

Surrogacy issue aside, I think it's awful to describe a woman 35+ with a history of eating disorders as "barren". Who made you a fertility expert?

It's been widely discredited this myth fertility drops off a cliff at 35. People with previous eating disorders have babies all the time. To suggest that people in both these categories would be "barren" is both offensive and disingenuous.

Drivingoverlemons · 01/02/2025 16:13

https://www.antitraffickingreview.org/index.php/atrjournal/article/view/542/416

This is an interesting and balanced legal view on human trafficking and surrogacy for anyone interested.

Elmo2025 · 01/02/2025 16:13

Waterweight · 01/02/2025 15:46

@StrawberryDream24 "You do realise the average age of a first time mother in the UK is around 31. That the number of women in their 40s having babies has now overtaken women under 20. That the NHS fertility page states (if it's still there) that 90% of women 39 and under will fall pregnant within two years of trying"

Sorry but the UK only ranks highly for 30's+ births because of fertility treatments, access to healthcare & overall general health & the 'statistics' is largely is based on live births

30+ year old mothers are not getting pregnant within 2 years & delivering every baby they conceive healthily/naturally let alone when you get into the 40+ year old mothers taking into account miscarriages, IVF, women who wait longer then 2 years ect.

My purpose of the post was the surprise other people would question the decision to use a surrogate mother when the biological mother is simply not in the ideal age or health range despite her looks for a first time mum & probably couldn't have carried naturally or would have based on how far they were willing to go for it.

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You’re ridiculous and must be so unfulfilled to even comment or care. I feel so sorry for you and delighted for Lily 🥰

MonkeypuzzleClimber · 01/02/2025 16:32

My best friend’s daughter was stillborn due to a medical condition she didn’t know she had that made pregnancy extremely dangerous for her and her unborn child. My heart was broken for her and the loss of the little girl I would have loved like family. I offered to carry an embryo for her, and absolutely would have done it gladly if she had wanted me to and was her only way to have a child. How could that be impossible to defend?

Globusmedia · 01/02/2025 16:35

I have two friends with a history of eating disorders who had their first babies over 35.

Hackingworry · 01/02/2025 17:10

KilkennyCats · 01/02/2025 14:09

And the child’s actual mother? Treated as a living incubator.

The actual mother is probably not the surrogate it’s possibly the couples embryo that was transferred we don’t know ?

haveagoharry · 01/02/2025 17:11

MonkeypuzzleClimber · 01/02/2025 16:32

My best friend’s daughter was stillborn due to a medical condition she didn’t know she had that made pregnancy extremely dangerous for her and her unborn child. My heart was broken for her and the loss of the little girl I would have loved like family. I offered to carry an embryo for her, and absolutely would have done it gladly if she had wanted me to and was her only way to have a child. How could that be impossible to defend?

Because as kind as your intentions are/were, you would have been that baby's mother, not your friend. There is nothing more traumatic to a newborn baby than being taken away from the human it doesn't even realise it isn't still physically apart of, regardless of how much the 'parents' love it.

ERthree · 01/02/2025 17:13

Rainbow450 · 01/02/2025 16:04

What a horrible thread. It's not for us to judge why she went down the surrogacy route. Infertility is very painful so I'm glad she's finally got the family she wanted. That baby will be thoroughly loved.

I will absolutely judge a person that buys a baby. Buying a 5 year old or a 30 year old is illegal so why is buying a newborn ok ?
Yes she has got what she wanted, all about her after all. What about the child that will have to live with the fact it's Mother sold her and her Mum bought her? No that doesn't matter as long as the adult gets what it wants.

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