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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 13:32

Wolfpa · 16/10/2024 13:22

There is no harm in getting it investigated more formally but you were experiencing huge stress at the time so be prepared for a different story to what you are telling to come to light.

let the people do their jobs and find the whole truth for you, this may be different to the truth you were experiencing on the day.

Gently, I agree with this. While acknowledging the horrible situation the OP experienced, it doesn't make sense that the nurses would block the door and trap her in a room with a male midwife. You panicked, the male midwife told you to leave the room (interpreted as being rude, but possibly he was panicking too and wanted you to get out of the situation as you were uncomfortable - maybe he realised he should have checked your notes or something) and you didn't leave the room. It's possible there's more to this.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 16/10/2024 13:32

mitogoshigg · 16/10/2024 13:27

It sounds like both of you are partly at fault, you for reacting in a way that wasn't good to him (no matter your past, he's a professional trying to help you) and him for not understanding the reasons why when you tried to explain. You may have a case for a complaint but do go through in your head whether you did verbally abuse him, professionals have a right not to be shouted at, if you think your reaction was within reasonable bounds then pals are the ones to speak to.

I know it's going to be difficult for you but he doesn't deserve to be shouted at either. We weren't there so think yourself about the sequence of events and how you can prepare yourself in the future

Are you taking the piss.
Also he doesn’t sound much a “Professional” to me. Another thing where did OP say she shouted at him. I think she was OTT nice given the circumstances!!

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 16/10/2024 13:35

LostTheMarble · 16/10/2024 12:28

Absolutely complain. Yes it must be difficult for him knowing he may be turned away for doing the job he’s trained for, but when it comes to female healthcare it’s simply tough shit. He had no right to speak to you in this manner and needs to be reprimanded.

If it must be difficult for him to be turned away then he's simply not a very good healthcare provider, in many care settings it's quite normal to request someone of the same sex especially for religious/ cultural reasons.

It was highly unprofessional especially the way he had handled it.

Resisterance · 16/10/2024 13:35

You poor thing. Contact PALS and report it. They will action this as his behaviour was not acceptable!

Hoppinggreen · 16/10/2024 13:36

My God, I am so sorry this happened.
Please do report to PALS, this person was completely unprofessional and should not be allowed to treat any patient let alone one with your history like that.
I am also very sorry about your loss x

IhaveanewTVnow · 16/10/2024 13:36

Please complain OP that is appalling behaviour from him. Sounds like the rest of the team are scared of him.

your post has made hard reading as we should expect better from maternity.

he sounds like an arrogant dick.

Wolfpa · 16/10/2024 13:37

HellonHeels · 16/10/2024 13:26

Hang on are you trying to suggest OP doesn't know what happened to her?! That is, you are attempting to gaslight OP and deny her experience?

Because that is an utterly shit thing to do.

Nope I am saying that with every thing going on mid panic attack there are three truths. Hers, his and the full truth.

panic attacks trigger the fight or flight response which can mean we experience things differently if we weren’t in that response. For example the people blocking the door may have just been standing there and it felt at the time like they were blocking the door or if in a full panic attack she may have been a danger to herself and others meaning that containment was the best option at that moment.

this is why the independent investigation is needed. It is easy to say that the midwife was out of order but both sides of the story are needed before we start damming them.

Iamiams · 16/10/2024 13:38

Just echoing what others said and write down as much as you can remember now. Who said what. Particularly names (colours of uniforms symbolising seniority if you can’t remember). As others said, write it factually and explain the emotions factually too.

IhaveanewTVnow · 16/10/2024 13:38

We always have the absolute right to ask for the same sex health care professional. You did nothing wrong. As a man, in a very intimate, female setting he needs to accept that it’s not his right to push his feelings ahead of ours. Complain complain and complain.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 16/10/2024 13:39

Why didn't you just leave the room when he asked you to? You had said you didn't want a male midwife so why stay there? Then presumably you would have returned to the waiting area and waited to be seen by a female midwife. It didn't need to become a big scene.

Lovelylilylane · 16/10/2024 13:39

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Am I the only person who thinks it's slightly odd for a male to become a midwife. Or all of the specialties to choose.

It’s weird as hell. I wouldn’t have one near me.

BeeCucumber · 16/10/2024 13:41

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Am I the only person who thinks it's slightly odd for a male to become a midwife. Or all of the specialties to choose.

Quite. I would not want to be cared for by a man that chooses a role where he knows he will be dealing with women and babies when they are at their most vulnerable. That says so much about their character.

Sdpbody · 16/10/2024 13:44

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Manxexile · 16/10/2024 13:44

AS a retired NHS manager - and male - I'd say that you really ought to make a formal complaint about the male midwife's attitude and hostility towards you.

They should always assume that if you don't want to be tended to by a male MW that you have a very good reason for that preference. Same goes for any other staff who were present.

Check the hospital trust's website for their complaints procedure. That will almost certainly say that you must complain through PALS but I doubt that will go anywhere or be taken seriously. If it isn't pursue the complaint to the next level up. Don't be put off by PALS

Starlight7080 · 16/10/2024 13:45

That's awful . It is up to you who you have especially when it involves an examination. You should definitely complain.
I can't believe no-one stepped in to stop him

piccolorhinoceros · 16/10/2024 13:46

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Am I the only person who thinks it's slightly odd for a male to become a midwife. Or all of the specialties to choose.

I think it's odd to question their motives tbh. There are lots of specialities I wouldn't enjoy - respiratory (phlegm), neonates or paeds (don't really like babies or children), colorectal (can't imagine wanting to be a stoma nurse), but different things appeal to different people. This particular midwife aside, there is no reason to assume there are nefarious motives.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 16/10/2024 13:46

Lovelylilylane · 16/10/2024 13:39

It’s weird as hell. I wouldn’t have one near me.

Many gynaecologists are men and deliver babies (particularly if there are problems) why shouldn't a man be a midwife? Helping bring new life into the world is something men and women can aspire to.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/10/2024 13:49

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Do you not trust your own partner or father to change nappies then....

padampada · 16/10/2024 13:49

Please report this. You are completely within your rights and his behaviour was unprofessional.

Starlightstargazer · 16/10/2024 13:49

I’m so sorry about your miscarriage and being treated so badly during a distressing time. He is 100% wrong in behaving like this. Please do complain as it’s only this way that investigations happen. You may be saving another woman from an awful experience.
Sending love at a difficult time.

WaterWall22 · 16/10/2024 13:49

MissyB1 · 16/10/2024 12:37

Don't bother with Pals. Write to the CEO of the hospital (name will be on the website), and send a separate copy to the Complaints department.

Second this.

BlueBlahBlah · 16/10/2024 13:52

Definitely file a complaint to make your voice heard, but don’t be expected to be taken seriously or apologised to, because they will always have an excuse to cover themselves.

Savingthehedgehogs · 16/10/2024 13:53

Oh you or thing op, what a horrendous experience. Absolutely file the complaint it will help empower you and protect others.

Savingthehedgehogs · 16/10/2024 13:54

I did get a formal apology by letter for my experience after a full investigation.

Securelec · 16/10/2024 13:56

Complain, but expect PAL to downplay your terrible experience and the nurses probably won't take your side. NHS cover up for each other.