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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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NotMyCircusss · 16/10/2024 14:32

Dogs and cats are able to have stipulated “no male applicants/owners” when rehoming due to past trauma beatings and assaults by men, but adult human females don’t have the same rights as dogs. Insane.

MrsWinkly · 16/10/2024 14:34

Goodness me OP, I'm so sorry for all that you've been through on top of your terrible loss.
You must feel so traumatised by all this.
I agree you should definitely complain - it's absolutely unacceptable that this male midwife treated you this way. His behaviour sounds shocking and on top of that, no-one else appeared to offer you the support you needed.
He shouldn't be anywhere near patients if he can't centre their needs (and trauma, past and present) and put his own ridiculously inappropriate sensitivities aside. Sounds like he runs the place like his own little kingdom, and nobody stands up to him.
Sending you hugs and support.

MrsWinkly · 16/10/2024 14:35

MissEsmeWatson · 16/10/2024 14:23

Probably won't go down well, but I think all midwives should be female.

So do I.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:35

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:17

So if you think you should and your partner thinks you should… that is really all that matters op

Yes, I agree. But I needed a gut check because filing a complaint means bringing up my history again and I try to avoid that where possible. I also know MN can be a good place for sense and reason and figured if I was in the wrong (which I was prepared to be), I would be told so. My assault was a long time ago and I have mainly
put it past me, but it’s really annoying when it does impact me and I feel so guilty that it still does and how it impacts others.

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Bubblemonkey · 16/10/2024 14:36

MissEsmeWatson · 16/10/2024 14:23

Probably won't go down well, but I think all midwives should be female.

I had a male obstetrician, absolutely lovely bloke. Wouldn’t fancy a male midwife though.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:38

MakeMeATea · 16/10/2024 13:59

Please complain, if not for you then for other women.
They will have security footage.

Yes, my husband just requested the CCTV footage through a SAR. Hopefully we get some thing back from it.

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bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:38

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:35

Yes, I agree. But I needed a gut check because filing a complaint means bringing up my history again and I try to avoid that where possible. I also know MN can be a good place for sense and reason and figured if I was in the wrong (which I was prepared to be), I would be told so. My assault was a long time ago and I have mainly
put it past me, but it’s really annoying when it does impact me and I feel so guilty that it still does and how it impacts others.

ok so now you’ve had the reality check, I would begin progressing the complaint whilst still fresh.

WillimNot · 16/10/2024 14:38

Forget PALs, they're mostly ineffective on that it's volunteers with very little sway.

I personally would see a solicitor.

That is gross misconduct, not just him but the staff who actively tried to prevent you leaving whilst he shouted at you.

I'm absolutely disgusted for you. At your most vulnerable anyway in the middle of a miscarriage, you get treated like that due to previous violence from a male, by a male in a position of trust? No, he needs sacking, immediately.

I am so upset for you @ThisBrickWriter you need to seriously take this as high as possible.

ttcat37 · 16/10/2024 14:41

I have not experienced the trauma that you experienced and there is zero chance I would want a male midwife even at the best of times. Weird and shouldn’t be allowed. I think back to the things my midwife helped me with - literally milking me, looking at my lochia, helping with breastfeeding, helping me to get dressed and undressed - and you have to question why a man would choose that career over another type of nursing. He has got a nerve being offended by ANY woman not wanting to be ‘cared for’ by him, let alone one going through trauma caused by a man.

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2024 14:43

He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

FORMAL COMPLAINT.

Do not pass go. Do not feel the need to justify. Do not feel you are in any way being unreasonable.

You said no. This is a consent issue.

You explained why.

He then tried to make it all about you, humilated you and tried to intimidate you.

This is not ok.

TENSsion · 16/10/2024 14:43

I had a male midwife wave a hand at me and dismissively say “yes labour hurts” when I was explaining how much quicker and more intense the pain was. I had given birth the year before so knew it was different.
He sent me to a waiting room, where I gave birth with only my husband to help.

I wish I had reported him.

So please, please report him. Don’t regret letting him get away with treating women so poorly like I did.

Hoppinggreen · 16/10/2024 14:45

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:35

Yes, I agree. But I needed a gut check because filing a complaint means bringing up my history again and I try to avoid that where possible. I also know MN can be a good place for sense and reason and figured if I was in the wrong (which I was prepared to be), I would be told so. My assault was a long time ago and I have mainly
put it past me, but it’s really annoying when it does impact me and I feel so guilty that it still does and how it impacts others.

I understand but perhaps your history won't have to be brought into it
WHY this horrible man was abusive is not relevant, you have a right to a female medical professional whatever your history and it sounds like his actions would be unacceptable even to those of us lucky enough not to be suffering from trauma
Please don't feel you have to justify how you behaved, you did nothing wrong

PastaQueen3 · 16/10/2024 14:52

My suggestion is as follows:

Contact PALS but copy in the Chief Nurse of the Trust, pp said to copy in the CEO but having worked in exec offices in a trust before these complaints tend to go in the direction of the chief nurse who has overall exec responsibility for Midwifery.

I absolutely second contacting your local MVP, this service is absolutely designed for those who have had experiences like yours.

I'm so sorry that you went through this at what was and is such a traumatic time. There's no excuse.

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 14:58

Every time that I've had health care recently, it was shocking.

I was in an ambulance in severe pain, and one of the male ambulance worker's sexually harassed me, and talked about his penis.

If I'd have been in a bigger city, I would have reported him.

Sadly , i live in a small town and I know his family to see. And I know his friends to see . And i just know that they would make my life a misery if I reported him.

Disgusting

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 14:59

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:31

Completely valid. At the time, he said “you can get out of my room and go wait more.” But the way he said it- pulling faces of disgust and anger. He said it like he’d eaten something sour and he was very offended. The unit was closing, I had waited 3 hours to be seen. I actually went to leave and it was the receptionist who told me it was important for me to be seen. So it felt like he was punishing me and I felt as though I’d done something to offend him.

I tried to explain so the midwife would understand it was nothing personal but as I explained, he grew more angry, not bc I wouldn’t leave but bc somehow my history and situation were offensive to him. He didn’t see their relevance. I did end up leaving after trying to explain and then he followed me to reception.

I'm actually getting more and more angry on your behalf. He centred himself ahead of his patient. I think your body quite correctly 'read' him as unsafe. He deserves a complaint and it may help others.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:59

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 14:58

Every time that I've had health care recently, it was shocking.

I was in an ambulance in severe pain, and one of the male ambulance worker's sexually harassed me, and talked about his penis.

If I'd have been in a bigger city, I would have reported him.

Sadly , i live in a small town and I know his family to see. And I know his friends to see . And i just know that they would make my life a misery if I reported him.

Disgusting

Edited

what? are you in the UK?

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/10/2024 14:59

Kirstyshine · 16/10/2024 14:01

Some men get off on it.

I don’t wish to dispute this. However, I will point out that the overwhelming majority hopefully do not. I have personal experience of being treated by male gynaecologists. They definitely weren’t there to traumatise women. The first was a gynaecologist in Brussels, where ivf icsi was developed (by a man). He was working at Brussels university hospital at the time and involved in the pioneering work. The second performed a hysterectomy on me. Both men couldn’t have been more attentive and respectful.

I am sorry this man treated you abysmally op. I hope that you are able to get past this terrible treatment and feel strong enough to complain. Sadly a lot of men really don’t get how powerful and intimidating they can be.

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 14:59

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:59

what? are you in the UK?

Yes

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 15:01

RedToothBrush · 16/10/2024 14:43

He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

FORMAL COMPLAINT.

Do not pass go. Do not feel the need to justify. Do not feel you are in any way being unreasonable.

You said no. This is a consent issue.

You explained why.

He then tried to make it all about you, humilated you and tried to intimidate you.

This is not ok.

Honestly this whole unit sounds toxic and perhaps intimidated by him.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:01

the idea of this ambulance worker still being out there 😞

Coalsy · 16/10/2024 15:02

Have you legal advice attached to your home insurance?
If so, give them a ring.
Do you know a solicitor?
If so contact them.

You poor woman.

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 15:04

I genuinely think that some people go into nursing to feel power over sick people
.
#notallnurses. But some.

But a lot of people have told me that there had really bad experiences with nurses lately.

  1. My brother went into hospital seriously ill. He told me that one of the nurses laughed at him.
  1. My cousin recently gave birth. She told me that one of the nurses was so abusive to her that she wanted to complain.
  1. My colleage was recently in hospital. She told me tha she refused to take medication, and the nurse physically forced medication down her throat. She has submitted a complaint against that nurse.
Skibideetoilet · 16/10/2024 15:04

God I hate how offended some male healthcare workers can get when women aren’t comfortable with them.
When a fifth of women have experience of SA from males is it ANY wonder that it’s going to be frequent and common for women to only want female care? (And even without history of SA it’s perfectly understandable for a woman not to feel comfortable)

I also see other women shaming those for not wanting males involved in intimate care, it’s grim.