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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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ThatsNotMyTeen · 16/10/2024 13:18

ThatsNotMyTeen · 16/10/2024 12:30

Wow that’s awful

complain and see if you can change hospital

how dare he make this all about himself

Sorry I also meant to say I’m so sorry for your loss and all you’ve been through

what an awful man

Lifeomars · 16/10/2024 13:19

I am so sorry for all that you have been through and then to have been treated like this must have greatly added to your distress. Like you I have a diagnosis of CPTSD as a consequence of several traumatic events. If you feel able to then email or phone PALS and if you do this, try and have someone with you when you do this or someone to help you debrief after you have done so.

Fraaahnces · 16/10/2024 13:19

I wrote already but forgot to say how sorry I am for your loss. I was just so stunned at this bloke‘s response.

nc007 · 16/10/2024 13:19

Ex midwife of many years here. REPORT to PALS, NMC ,CQC and any local groups that can advocate for you. This is one of the worst treatment of a woman I have ever come across. So sorry for your loss and sending love

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 13:20

His behaviour was totally unacceptable and unprofessional as was the response of the team generally. Make the complaint.

I'm sorry this happened to you OP Flowers

HowMuchShouldBePaid · 16/10/2024 13:22

If going through PALS ask for it to be a formal complaint. These take longer to get a response but are taken , as it should be, seriously.

Wolfpa · 16/10/2024 13:22

There is no harm in getting it investigated more formally but you were experiencing huge stress at the time so be prepared for a different story to what you are telling to come to light.

let the people do their jobs and find the whole truth for you, this may be different to the truth you were experiencing on the day.

JaneYellow · 16/10/2024 13:23

Sorry for you loss. You were treated very badly. It’s just horrible. Do please report.

Lakrads · 16/10/2024 13:23

This is awful OP.

ClimbEveryLadder · 16/10/2024 13:23

So sorry about your miscarriage Flowers

Please do put in a complaint, the NHS should take it seriously, looks of good advice already about how to do it. I put in a complaint about a medical profession once after a distressing experience and I felt listened to.

He sounds like at best he has a significant training need.

Bubblemonkey · 16/10/2024 13:25

Even without a history of ptsd, I wouldn’t be thrilled about seeing a male midwife given the circumstances 🫣

OuterSpaceCadet · 16/10/2024 13:26

I'm so sorry for your loss OP and am absolutely raging on your behalf at how disgustingly you were treated.

All male HCPs ought to understand and be sensitive around the inherent power imbalance with female patients. Especially male midwives.

He completely disregarded your past and present trauma which made the consultation itself a traumatic experience. He ought to be sacked.

HellonHeels · 16/10/2024 13:26

Wolfpa · 16/10/2024 13:22

There is no harm in getting it investigated more formally but you were experiencing huge stress at the time so be prepared for a different story to what you are telling to come to light.

let the people do their jobs and find the whole truth for you, this may be different to the truth you were experiencing on the day.

Hang on are you trying to suggest OP doesn't know what happened to her?! That is, you are attempting to gaslight OP and deny her experience?

Because that is an utterly shit thing to do.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 16/10/2024 13:26

100% complain!!!!

Lifeomars · 16/10/2024 13:26

FionnulaTheCooler · 16/10/2024 12:10

File the complaint. He was completely unprofessional, his issues are not your problem and he should not have shouted at you or tried to prevent you from leaving the room. He needs retraining around trauma responses.

Wondering if there have been complaints about him in the past hence his awful reaction. I was treated terribly when I had my child, shouted at, verbally abused and mocked during my labour, denied pain relief and the whole birth was mismanaged. When I was crying on the post natal ward about being shouted at, the midwife who delivered my baby suddenly appeared at my bedside and gave me some more abuse, told me I deserved to be shouted at as it was the only way to get me through the pain. Needless to say I became hysterical but later on I did complain. Turned out my complaint was the latest of many and I heard on the grapevine that she was dismissed. Maybe this horrible man has already had complaints made and is on a warning. Pure speculation on my part but it does seem that he has form.

Fashionlover123 · 16/10/2024 13:26

i am a midwife, this is appalling behaviour from him. We have male midwives who would never dream of acting this way. We should never ever judge somebody for not wanting a male midwife.
Your complaint will absolutely be taken seriously. If staff are afraid to stand up to him then complaining formally or via PALs means they will HAVE to investigate this & speak to him. You are not just doing it for yourself, but for other women (because there will be others, who have had traumatic experiences or for religious reasons WILL decline care from him) I am so sorry for your loss xxxx

mitogoshigg · 16/10/2024 13:27

It sounds like both of you are partly at fault, you for reacting in a way that wasn't good to him (no matter your past, he's a professional trying to help you) and him for not understanding the reasons why when you tried to explain. You may have a case for a complaint but do go through in your head whether you did verbally abuse him, professionals have a right not to be shouted at, if you think your reaction was within reasonable bounds then pals are the ones to speak to.

I know it's going to be difficult for you but he doesn't deserve to be shouted at either. We weren't there so think yourself about the sequence of events and how you can prepare yourself in the future

RampantIvy · 16/10/2024 13:28

This is awful.

Please comlain.
Complain for yourself because his treatment of you was unprofessional and downright horrible
Complain on behalf of any other woman who might be subject to his treatment
Complain on behalf of the staff who are afraid of him

He absolutely needs to be disciplined and to understand that he cannot behave like this.

Sdpbody · 16/10/2024 13:28

PALS complaint.

I genuinely and quite sexistly, believe that we have midwives and not midhusbands for a reason.

Men have no place in maternity services, and I believe that for gyny and obs.

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Am I the only person who thinks it's slightly odd for a male to become a midwife. Or all of the specialties to choose.

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Sdpbody · 16/10/2024 13:28

PALS complaint.

I genuinely and quite sexistly, believe that we have midwives and not midhusbands for a reason.

Men have no place in maternity services, and I believe that for gyny and obs.

I agree, just posted similar.

Coalsy · 16/10/2024 13:30

Is it likely this will be on cctv in there.
Please report this.
It is absolutely horrendous.
You poor poor woman.
I am so sorry.
I would think that is a verbal assault and would want to report to the police.
How can that be acceptable behaviour?

Bigcat25 · 16/10/2024 13:31

Make sure your complaint includes that you heard staff are afraid of him, and that you weren't allowed to leave, which is insane. He's probably abusive to patients and staff.

HellonHeels · 16/10/2024 13:31

mitogoshigg · 16/10/2024 13:27

It sounds like both of you are partly at fault, you for reacting in a way that wasn't good to him (no matter your past, he's a professional trying to help you) and him for not understanding the reasons why when you tried to explain. You may have a case for a complaint but do go through in your head whether you did verbally abuse him, professionals have a right not to be shouted at, if you think your reaction was within reasonable bounds then pals are the ones to speak to.

I know it's going to be difficult for you but he doesn't deserve to be shouted at either. We weren't there so think yourself about the sequence of events and how you can prepare yourself in the future

WTF? Where does it say that OP shouted at the midwife?

It doesn't say that, anywhere. It does say that the midwife shouted at OP, attempted to block her from leaving the room and then followed her and shouted at her again.

You need to check your reading comprehension before trying to victim blame.

Coalsy · 16/10/2024 13:32

GrumpOlympics · 16/10/2024 13:28

Am I the only person who thinks it's slightly odd for a male to become a midwife. Or all of the specialties to choose.

Totally.
I didn't entertain a male mid wife at one of my births and I couldn't care less about it.