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DonnySue · 21/07/2024 20:41

Was at my grandmas earlier with DD (9). My sister, her husband and their kids were there too. We were talking about history and I was absolutely fascinated by it (I love history, especially British history) and at one point I took myself outside into the garden to have a few minutes of thinking and reflection on what we’d been talking about.
DD came out to ask what I was doing and I said “just having a few minutes to reflect on what we’ve been chatting about”.

She went back inside and then I heard howls of laughter coming from the living room. DD had told them what I’d said and they were all in stitches over it. It really ruined my thoughts and I tried to get the topic back up and running but sister kept saying everyone was still reflecting - cue more hilarity.

was what I said really that bloody funny?? Pissed off but also a bit embarrassed 😞

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Sallyh87 · 22/07/2024 09:14

It is unusual yes and I would be surprised by it.

However, the laughter probably came from your daughters delivery of it. Kids have a way of saying things very funny.

I think it’s lovely that you are so passionate about it though, just continue to enjoy it.

burnoutbabe · 22/07/2024 09:15

@Calliopespa

I assumed we all did think about what we'd studied and did further reading.

But no one actually said "I am reflecting". It's the wording used that is odd. And we could all do our thinking at later times. Not have to excuse ourselves from something to go off and do it right then and there (assuming something else is happening we could be doing)

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 22/07/2024 09:15

There's a lot of autistic traits going on here;

Interesting - I can see that.

I wondered if the OP works in education sector or in management somewhere in that sector- from DC schools and DH working in HE there can be a lot of pushing reflection after trips and conversations and projects.

It's not a bad idea but is often pushed in less natural ways - like OP stepping out immediately to do it - rather than most people ruminating when have a quiet moment.

It's not unknown for family members to step out for some air or a break or just for a change or more often to do a task to get the space- but it would be odd to say it was to reflect on a conversation.

burnoutbabe · 22/07/2024 09:17

Actually in open university, loads of the work one does seems to have an element of "reflection" a ton of waffle about what you learned (about yourself) and how you learned. (My dad does it) rather than writing essays on the subject.

saraclara · 22/07/2024 09:19

DonnySue · 22/07/2024 09:06

Exactly this!! Decisions made a thousand years ago have some impact on your life today. In 300 years from now, there will be people walking around who don’t know you ever existed but your decisions now will have some impact on the lives they’re living. It’s fascinating

It's fascinating to you! But people have different interests. If I started talking at length to you about mine, you'd get bored pretty quickly. As I might about yours.

It's not wrong for people to be less interested in your favourite subject than you are, and to tire of the conversation sooner than you. Similarly it wouldn't be wrong for you to take a break outside for different reasons, to escape my friend's obsession with a particular sport

You seem to be struggling to understand how other people think.

Again, I'm sorry that your family mocked you. But I think it would help you to try to understand social interaction and understanding that other people's perceptions are not yours.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 22/07/2024 09:23

It’s soul destroying when you’re the one if the family that people feel they can laugh at, OP.

Your family are out of order.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 22/07/2024 09:25

burnoutbabe · 22/07/2024 09:17

Actually in open university, loads of the work one does seems to have an element of "reflection" a ton of waffle about what you learned (about yourself) and how you learned. (My dad does it) rather than writing essays on the subject.

It's been in education last few years - schools and uni DH taught and visited at.

I think it's a new educational fashion - you can see why but it's often done in a less than natural way so it gets ticked off as it were - DH in a technical subject so I get to enjoy him moaning about it.

Misthios · 22/07/2024 09:26

I did reflective exercises as part of my history-related MSc too. But it wasn't so much about reflecting on the actual material, more about your learning style and what you found worked or didn't - so writing about how you tried mind mapping and didn't find it particularly effective, but that writing bullet points or using a different syntax for literature searches did.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/07/2024 09:28

CoalTit · 22/07/2024 01:30

Doesn't anyone here relate to the OP's decision to leave the room once the conversation turned to Donald Trump?

Yes and no, @CoalTit. I can absolutely understand someone not wanting to talk about Trump - the man makes my skin crawl, and I am horrified at the thought of him getting a second go at the US Presidency.

But when you are in a group situation, and the group has discussed your particular area of interest for a while, and the conversation moves on, I think it is good manners to show a similar interest in other people's choice of topic.

CookingApron · 22/07/2024 09:41

My parents and brothers all laugh at me and each other like this. I grew up with it, but have come to realise how horrid it is. They remind me of the hyenas in the lion king.

In my own family - my husband and children - we're not like that. I think it's okay to care about things and be honest and earnest. It's okay to reflect and improve. It's okay to take yourself and the things you learn seriously. Not everything has to be hilarious.

PhantomSmoke · 22/07/2024 09:45

Part of the definition of ‘weird’ is that it is something that people feel is unsettling. People with autism are often viewed as ‘weird’ (aka unsettling), which results in bullying, ostracism, or just general feelings of ‘they’re weird, I don’t feel comfortable around them…’, etc.

One reason why it’s useful to know if you have ASD or not is because it’s actually a huge relief to know why people respond to you like that. It’s not your fault, Autistic brains just work differently to the norm. That’s why I suggested taking the AQ50 assessment, which anyone who may be wondering about this themselves, can do at home as a pre-screening online, before taking further steps towards diagnosis (if desired).

psychology-tools.com/test/autism-spectrum-quotient

Spinet · 22/07/2024 09:51

Reflection is a totally normal part of learning and if you don't reflect you probably are not learning. But it is uncool to work at learning in this country so you have to pretend you're not doing it and instead are naturally gifted in knowing about the Anglo-Scots wars and what they mean for the present day without even thinking about it.

Fraa · 22/07/2024 09:59

I think it was really off for OP's family to keep laughing, even when it was clear she wasn't laughing it off. If it happened in my family the adults might send each other an amused glance when the DC came in with the statement about reflecting, but wouldn't be treating an adult (or a child) like a laughing stock for it.

I guess it sounds quite formal to be 'reflecting' about what was to everyone else a mildly interesting chat, so a little bit funny. No way the need for 'roaring', 'howling', 'never let them live it down' some PPs seem to think is a rational reaction.

zingally · 22/07/2024 10:08

It is a bit weird to take yourself away from a family gathering to "reflect" on a random conversation.
If you'd needed a bit of time away to collect your thoughts after someone dropping a bombshell like "your aunt is actually your sister", then fair enough. But to take yourself away after a casual chat about some aspect of very general history is definitely weird and sounds really, really pretentious and way too intense.

katebushh · 22/07/2024 10:26

I don't understand what's funny about it at all.

I just think people are a bit nasty. Laughing at someone is never ok nor funny unless everyone is enjoying themselves.

Whatever sort of example are people setting to their kids. Confused

Sunnyandsilly · 22/07/2024 10:32

katebushh · 22/07/2024 10:26

I don't understand what's funny about it at all.

I just think people are a bit nasty. Laughing at someone is never ok nor funny unless everyone is enjoying themselves.

Whatever sort of example are people setting to their kids. Confused

I guess this just shows everyone is different.

arguably leaving company to go sit on your own, to effectively carry the conversation on in your own head, as you find the convo turn boring, is rude. Reflecting on something you’re studying is fine, but to have a conversation when visiting a relative, then excuse yourself so you can go and sit alone and think about medieval history is odd behaviour. As seen by the thread, most folks would be amused if a much loved family member did it, if someone else did it, you’d be less amused and think them odd or rude.

Life2Short4Nonsense · 22/07/2024 10:39

OP, you clearly have a passion for the topic, which is great.

I'd say just fuck em. They are clearly more worried about conforming to other people's ideas of normal and are likely terrified of what others think of them. That's why they laughed. It's what insecure people do.

Anyways I wouldn't tell them much in the future. I've either say you're just taking some time to yourself of tell them the truth that you are sick and tired of hearing about Trump. Because aren't we all?

FunIsland · 22/07/2024 10:39

My husband is renowned for being a miserable git, we laugh about it and tease him, not to be horrible but because he’s our miserable git and we love him. It’s funny to see him do it.

Just like the family laugh at me because I have the attention span of a goldfish and forget words or start 14 new projects a week and never finish any of them. I wouldn’t be offended by it because they’re right, and it’s done from a place of affection.

Without a broader context I’d listen to the feedback, realise that it was an unusual thing to go outside and reflect and assume that they’re not being nasty but because you did a funny thing. But also that it’s OK that you did a funny thing.

willWillSmithsmith · 22/07/2024 10:39

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 22/07/2024 09:15

There's a lot of autistic traits going on here;

Interesting - I can see that.

I wondered if the OP works in education sector or in management somewhere in that sector- from DC schools and DH working in HE there can be a lot of pushing reflection after trips and conversations and projects.

It's not a bad idea but is often pushed in less natural ways - like OP stepping out immediately to do it - rather than most people ruminating when have a quiet moment.

It's not unknown for family members to step out for some air or a break or just for a change or more often to do a task to get the space- but it would be odd to say it was to reflect on a conversation.

The only time I could imagine going outside and reflecting on a conversation and maybe saying so is if it was something deeply personal, someone’s health or something upsetting. I can get emotional or deeply moved by something that isn’t personal but my reaction would be different to OP’s. Not that there is anything wrong with OP going outside but I would be lying if I didn’t think it was odd when being told about it.

Do you have form for it with family, maybe that’s why they ribbed you?

willWillSmithsmith · 22/07/2024 10:43

Spinet · 22/07/2024 09:51

Reflection is a totally normal part of learning and if you don't reflect you probably are not learning. But it is uncool to work at learning in this country so you have to pretend you're not doing it and instead are naturally gifted in knowing about the Anglo-Scots wars and what they mean for the present day without even thinking about it.

I don’t know what company you keep but I don’t know anyone who thinks learning is uncool. Yes some people do, but a whole country?

SerafinasGoose · 22/07/2024 10:43

StopInhalingRevels · 21/07/2024 21:36

So you were all talking about your special subject, that you know all sorts about.

Then then conversation changed so you got up and left. A 9yr old girl came looking for you and you told her you were taking some me time to reflect on the medieval history conversation, whilst everyone else sat conversing in your absence.

And you're really going to persist with the "whatever could you possibly mean, deliberately drawing attention to myself and my physical removal from the group and declaration of my self reflection whilst they discuss menial topics clearly find beneath me?". You are, aren't you.

You are really overthinking this.

Smartiepants79 · 22/07/2024 10:45

DonnySue · 21/07/2024 22:57

People who think I’m weird …. Do you not find it fascinating that all those years ago your relatives … your actual blood relatives were going about their lives in medieval Britain? Do you not wonder what they did for a living? What they looked like? Where they lived?

Yes, I find it fascinating. I’m a history nut.
BUT I wouldn’t need to stop in the middle of a conversation with other people to go off by myself and think about it. The compulsion you describe is unusual.
I think about those things when I’m reading certain books, watching certain programmes or visiting certain places. It doesn’t consume other times in my life.

SerafinasGoose · 22/07/2024 10:51

willWillSmithsmith · 22/07/2024 10:43

I don’t know what company you keep but I don’t know anyone who thinks learning is uncool. Yes some people do, but a whole country?

In some quarters learning, self-improvement etc., reflecting on new knowledge etc., is mocked. Check upthread for a prime example.

I'm bookish and I've experienced my fair share of bullying and ribbing for being a 'swot' and a 'geek'. And this transcends class boundaries. In some schools those inclined toward the sporty can sometimes be dismissive of more academic types: not a general observation but neither is it a rare one. In my part-US education I did see this (and a lot of graduate scholarships are earned through sport). And yes, in some areas of the UK education is not valued and kids who work hard get an awful time. The result is, I'm afraid to see, clearly discernible once people come out of the end of compulsory education, find themselves at university, and can't construct a sentence properly.

OP - ignore the ribbing by your family and those on this thread. It's bullying, nothing less. If you're 'weird' in having a deep interest in particular subjects and then thinking/reflecting about what you've seen then I certainly fall into the category of weird too. And I don't give a flying one. Then again, I wouldn't expect my own family to bully me.

Keep on being you Flowers

ThatTealViewer · 22/07/2024 10:55

XChrome · 22/07/2024 01:34

Nope. The problem is that many people are shallow and don't reflect on issues enough, so they assume other, more thoughtful people are strange to do so.
I'd go off by myself for a minute if I had loud, giggly people in my house too. You can't think too deeply with that going on.

Then think deeply when they’re not there? Or is your thoughtfulness on some sort of time limit? Can it only happen at specific times? Does it need to take place during social gatherings?

People not removing themselves from social situations to reflect does not mean they don’t reflect. It doesn’t make them shallow. To claim that it does smacks of the same level of adolescent navel gazing earnestness as the OP. It’s not thoughtful, it’s silly. I’d laugh at you, as well.

Sunnyandsilly · 22/07/2024 10:56

SerafinasGoose · 22/07/2024 10:51

In some quarters learning, self-improvement etc., reflecting on new knowledge etc., is mocked. Check upthread for a prime example.

I'm bookish and I've experienced my fair share of bullying and ribbing for being a 'swot' and a 'geek'. And this transcends class boundaries. In some schools those inclined toward the sporty can sometimes be dismissive of more academic types: not a general observation but neither is it a rare one. In my part-US education I did see this (and a lot of graduate scholarships are earned through sport). And yes, in some areas of the UK education is not valued and kids who work hard get an awful time. The result is, I'm afraid to see, clearly discernible once people come out of the end of compulsory education, find themselves at university, and can't construct a sentence properly.

OP - ignore the ribbing by your family and those on this thread. It's bullying, nothing less. If you're 'weird' in having a deep interest in particular subjects and then thinking/reflecting about what you've seen then I certainly fall into the category of weird too. And I don't give a flying one. Then again, I wouldn't expect my own family to bully me.

Keep on being you Flowers

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Cmon now, there is a time and place for everything and in the middle of a social visit to pop outside so you can self learn on medieval history isn’t it,

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