NHS England Head Of Public Participation tells survivors to stay in their lane.

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Jeanhatchet Sat 27-Jun-20 12:26:29

A day or so ago I had tweeted at another user that women's single sex services should ensure that the EQ Act 2010 is correctly applied to protect women.

Last night the Head Of Public Participation And Engagement - Olivia Butterworth @LiviBut replied to me in a tweet that

"It has never been an issue or a problem. Unless you have direct personal experience stop jumping on the bandwagon".

When I pointed out I AM a survivor she blocked me. This is really unacceptable. Trolls are one thing. Vicious trans activists are one thing. But a Public Health Official using her account to silence women who have experienced domestic and sexual violence is quite another.

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StealthPolarBear Sat 27-Jun-20 12:32:09

Bloody hell grin I don't think things are getting any better

BaronessWrongCrowd Sat 27-Jun-20 12:33:19

That's awful. Can you put in a complaint?

Ereshkigalangcleg Sat 27-Jun-20 12:34:47

That's appalling. Agree, please make a complaint.

TooTiredTodayOk Sat 27-Jun-20 12:36:40

Make a formal complaint.

Jeanhatchet Sat 27-Jun-20 12:39:48

I have complained formally but the email reply was that no complaints to NHS England are being processed at present due to efforts focused on Covid 19. So they can screw up as much as they like for now .

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Kit19 Sat 27-Jun-20 12:40:29

Complain - pink hair woke brigade. I’m embarrassed these ppl get so far in Organizations I really am


Dicotyledon Sat 27-Jun-20 12:43:52


StealthPolarBear Sat 27-Jun-20 12:43:59

She is followed by the chief nurse for England.

Whatsnewpussyhat Sat 27-Jun-20 12:44:03

Where do they get this bullshit that transwomen are more likely to be attacked than females from?

I want facts and figures.

Why are these males, who have had zero issue using male facilities their whole lives, now too scared to use them?

BovaryX Sat 27-Jun-20 12:44:20

The Head of Public Participation basically told you to shut up because you asked for the Equality Act to be correctly applied? That's an interesting interpretation of her job title.

StealthPolarBear Sat 27-Jun-20 12:46:31

op Sorry I've just seen that I put a grinny face rather than a shocked face in my first reply to you. I hope my stupidity was evident.
I suspect this has all brought back nasty memories. Hope you're OK x

LouHotel Sat 27-Jun-20 12:47:46

What on earth does the head of public participation actually mean. This also means theres an entire participation department.

StealthPolarBear Sat 27-Jun-20 12:49:58

I do think patient and public involvement is really important and is undervalued. I don't have a problem with her job title.
(just her)

SerenityNowwwww Sat 27-Jun-20 12:51:21

Charmer eh?

littlbrowndog Sat 27-Jun-20 12:51:36

I looked at her twitter feed

Tells a story

Sorry jean for this

SorrelForbes Sat 27-Jun-20 12:58:38

I'm work in professional and public engagement in the NHS and am appalled at her response to you OP.

DidoLamenting Sat 27-Jun-20 13:05:21

Regardless of one's views on this issue should a senior civil servant be openly critical of and be openly campaigning to influence government policy?

Olivia Butterworth


A plea to every senior NHS leader. Please speak up and stand up for #LGBT rights. We cannot allow this Government to roll back the progress made as we work to ensure that our #QTIPOC #Trans #NonBinary siblings have equal rights and #inequalities are eradicated #NHSVirtualPride


Kit19 Sat 27-Jun-20 13:06:25

No I wouldn’t have thought they should

OldCrone Sat 27-Jun-20 13:15:05

Trans women have been able to access single sex spaces for decades with literally no recorded issues.

Does she actually believe this?


SerenityNowwwww Sat 27-Jun-20 13:15:59

Well that’s a big fat story isn’t it?

Kit19 Sat 27-Jun-20 13:20:19

I’m so tired of that being trotted out

Has anyone actually ever researched whther thete were issues recorded?

I know how the nhs works - what they record is entirely limited by what nhs england says they should record

Unless you went through patient notes & safety records, you wouldn’t know if there had been incidents

Has anyone ever done that?

BovaryX Sat 27-Jun-20 13:20:41

Well that’s a big fat story isn’t it?

Yes. I think it is. It's interesting that someone with her job title has been so publicly dismissive of a woman requesting the Equality Act is correctly applied.

Gwynfluff Sat 27-Jun-20 13:27:38

It’s also rather a statement to say ‘it’s never been an issue’ as there was a long and relatively recent campaign to ensure there was single sex ward provision in the NHS and it actually became a marker of high quality care that had to be demonstrated. Why was there the need for sex segregation in care settings?

Jeanhatchet Sat 27-Jun-20 13:33:00

@SerenityNowwwww what's your problem? Me? Or the story?

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