NHS England Head Of Public Participation tells survivors to stay in their lane.

[Jeanhatchet]

A day or so ago I had tweeted at another user that women's single sex services should ensure that the EQ Act 2010 is correctly applied to protect women.

Last night the Head Of Public Participation And Engagement - Olivia Butterworth @LiviBut replied to me in a tweet that

"It has never been an issue or a problem. Unless you have direct personal experience stop jumping on the bandwagon".

When I pointed out I AM a survivor she blocked me. This is really unacceptable. Trolls are one thing. Vicious trans activists are one thing. But a Public Health Official using her account to silence women who have experienced domestic and sexual violence is quite another.

[EverardDigby]

Another survivor here with PTSD. That's terrible. Gives me very little confidence using the NHS. And her assertions are just wrong.

[StealthPolarBear]

If she's an NHS employee then she isn't a civil servant. Agree with the principle of what you posted.

[Packingsoapandwater]

I'd contact your MP about this. The Equality Act is the law. Failing that, I'd contact the Department for Health and flag this up.

[Clymene]

She is complaining about the proper implementation of the law which protects people with a protected characteristic. She should be sacked.

[EverardDigby]

Also would she say you had to have direct personal experience of racism to be able to challenge it? Doesn't really fit with the zeitgeist.

[AnyFucker]

the issue is with men

She got that bit right.

[Couchbettato]

You'd expect someone with such a prestigious position within an organisation to be somewhat educated, but this is one of the most sense things I've seen come out of the proverbial mouth of someone with so much authority, in a sector designed to protect the health of its people. You know. The nation.

Also, I am not a sexual assault or abuse survivor. Why does that mean that I can't lobby for the protection of women? Do I have to be sexually assaulted before I can ask for protection? Can she even hear what she's saying?

I guess I shouldn't support domestic violence charities, and women's services because my husband has never tried to attack me either...

[Couchbettato]

Dense. Not sense.

[MrsNoah2020]

@SorrelForbes

I'm work in professional and public engagement in the NHS and am appalled at her response to you OP.

Seconded.

[ScrimpshawTheSecond]

That's appalling.

[ScrimpshawTheSecond]

Looking at her Twitter - is her remit purely inclusion of LGBT+, or is she supposed to consider any other groups at all?

She's just an anti-feminist, as far as I can see. Interesting that people aren't even pretending that feminism and trans-rights aren't in direct opposition - ' @LiviButt
⁩ lifting voice of trans people is being trolled by feminist groups'

where 'trolling' means 'speaking to', of course. Feminists should just be quite, is the current state of the 'no debate' debate.

[OldCrone]

'Direct personal experience' of what? I have direct personal experience of being a woman. Does that count?

[StealthPolarBear]

Of course it doesn't. Now be quiet the women who know so much more about it than you are talking.

[littlbrowndog]

I know her twitter feed is just so strange

[StealthPolarBear]

Strange how? As far as I can see it's just pro lgbtq?+ all the way
(but not really l g or b, cos it's all about the t)

[Wondersense]

What an idiot. You don't have to have direct experience to show concerns about risks. That's like saying to someone who wants speedbumps in their road where maniacs drivers are to reign themselves in because they don't have a dead child yet.

[anotherFOIrequester]

I've just been invited, as a member of the public, to engage with my local NHS CCG on their transgender guidance. I'm not sure if I can actually go as I'm working at the meeting time, but I will mention this either way.

Background:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3784009-Are-you-in-Devon-Bristol-North-Somerset-or-South-Gloucestershire-Tell-NHS-your-view-on-trans-guidelines-NOW

[MrsNoah2020]

[quote anotherFOIrequester]I've just been invited, as a member of the public, to engage with my local NHS CCG on their transgender guidance. I'm not sure if I can actually go as I'm working at the meeting time, but I will mention this either way.

Background:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3784009-Are-you-in-Devon-Bristol-North-Somerset-or-South-Gloucestershire-Tell-NHS-your-view-on-trans-guidelines-NOW[/quote]
Unfortunately, CCGs have no control over NHS England - it's the other way round: NHSE are the bosses of CCGs.

So sorry this happened to you, @Jeanhatchet: disgraceful to treat a survivor in this way. If you feel up to it, you could write to the NHS England chief executive, Simon Stevens, at NHS England, Skipton House, 80 London Road, London, SE1 6LH. I would suggest complaining both about Olivia's rude and dismissive treatment of you, and about her bringing NHSE into disrepute with partisan campaigning to undermine the current law.

[BovaryX]

I would suggest complaining both about Olivia's rude and dismissive treatment of you, and about her bringing NHSE into disrepute with partisan campaigning to undermine the current law

Well said. OP, I hope you are able to escalate this. It is appalling treatment.

[JoyFreeCake]

QTIPOC? 🤨 Firstly, where are the LGB people who very much do not want a slur "reclaimed" for them and applied to them without their consent, and secondly why is POC randomly shoehorned into what appears to be a tweet about LGBT?

[anotherFOIrequester]

Yes I know MrsNoah - my (small) hope is they will feed that upwards to NHS England

[Aesopfable]

why is POC randomly shoehorned into what appears to be a tweet about LGBT?

Because they are hijacking another cause in the same way they did with LGB

[stumbledin]

Because the images of the tweet posted were in a format my computer didn't recognise(?!) I went and found her on twitter which wasn't hard what with the pink hair.

She may say she is tweeting personal opinion but as she states what her job it is unimaginable that NHS England should not be contacted to say what an appalling impression her twitter account gives.

And the final irony, her job is "public participation". I f this is how the NHS carries out participation is it any wonder that trans voices are being heard over women's.

If it was somehow a reversed situation you can imagine that every trans activist would have been asked to bombard her employer with comments about her being biased / phobic.

If you feel able can you tweet to @NHSEngland and make it a public complaint.

Apart from showing empathy for women as patients of the NHS it is worth remember that many SARCs ie clinics where rape survivors are encourage to go without having to involve the police, are run by the NHS.

Are rape victims now to believe that SARCs run by the NHS do not feel obliged to follow EA legislation, which has only just recently been confirmed by Truss to exist and not to be undermined.

This sense of trans entitlement to disprespect women is getting worse.

[PearPickingPorky]

I can't believe this. The absolute blatant-ness of it.

And the fucking pink hair.

[CharlieParley]

Asides the utterly reprehensible treatment of a survivor, we know that they know that there are indeed problems with allowing males to access spaces that female service users rightly expect to be female only.

I thought at first these statements that males who identify as trans have been using female-only provisions for years without problems were made in innocent ignorance of the fact. But I have since found that even those service providers who have been informed of various problems with male inclusion in female-only provisions - in their own service and by their own service users - continue to publicly deny those problems exist.

Unfortunately, amongst those promoting transgender ideology and legislation, even if they do have the decency to acknowledge that problems do exist, they minimise them as bad apples etc.