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WootMoggie Thu 21-May-20 17:21:07

So very glad that MP Jackie Doyle-Price has picked up on this, but this is the kind of stuff now being submitted as PSHE teaching materials for schools, for ages 13+

Transgender Trend have done a complete analysis here https://www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/

Jackie's original tweet is here: https://twitter.com/jackiedp/status/1263450274422808577?s=21

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 17:23:09

I saw that - nearly brought up my lunch. Can you imagine this as a kid???

OvaHere Thu 21-May-20 17:23:39

What's particularly egregious is that FGM is lumped in with 'diversity of genitalia' rather than an abhorrent and criminal act committed against girls.

OvaHere Thu 21-May-20 17:26:12

I really urge everyone to read the full piece by Shelly Charlsworth as linked in the OP.

There's a lot in there including that this is funded by Tampon Tax money that allegedly is supposed to be used in a positive way for women and girls.

stillathing Thu 21-May-20 17:40:01

What's particularly egregious is that FGM is lumped in with 'diversity of genitalia' rather than an abhorrent and criminal act committed against girls

We've seen similar before on here with a guy that was going into schools teaching that FGM was at one end of a scale of genital modification, with pube shaving at the other. Argh the name of him and his organisation escapes me. He was also getting students to draw and discuss different types of sex in front of him in the way that the dice game seems set up to do. When I can recall his name I'll try and find out if he now works for The Proud Trust.

Getting children to be explicit in front of adults seems to be a way of grooming them to accept adults into their developing sexual identities.

But what purpose does downplaying the significance of FGM serve?

SarahTancredi Thu 21-May-20 17:48:23

There's a lot in there including that this is funded by Tampon Tax money that allegedly is supposed to be used in a positive way for women and girls

I thought it was meant to go to womens shelters and stuff shock

How dare they.

Regarding fgm I have seen on Twitter , a fgm survivor was indeed told to stop whining about her "cis provilege"

I'm.wondering if the stuff is downplayed because certain people are advocating for srs surgery under 18 so to not treat that as a mutilation and hideous act of cruelty it would take the heat off what they have done or advocate for doing if that makes sense?

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 17:49:26

Are tampons still taxed? I thought they were scrapping that - or did I imagine that?

Deliriumoftheendless Thu 21-May-20 17:51:01

I used to work with girls (y9, 10 & 11) who were classed as at risk of sexual exploitation and I have been in training sessions where all manner of sexual practices were discussed as part of the training, but this was because as adults we needed to be aware of the things the girls were going through and would talk about. It would never have been appropriate to raise some of this with any pupil who wasn’t unlucky enough to be a victim of CSE.

EndoplasmicReticulum Thu 21-May-20 17:52:43

Trying to imagine my shy and awkward 13 year old being confronted with this in form time. Or indeed me, as a teacher, having to teach it.

OvaHere Thu 21-May-20 17:53:03

But what purpose does downplaying the significance of FGM serve?

That it gives legitimacy to SRS as just another form of surgically created vulva?

I don't really know but usually these type of shields are enacted for the benefit of men.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing Thu 21-May-20 18:00:41

Section 5, watch this video and take notes:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1E303AwVQ

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 18:02:47

I would be ‘sick’ the days of those classes - it would make me feel dread at the thought of having to do this. Jesus I found it hard enough to put my hand up to ask to go to the loo!

Sorry if it sounds melodramatic but it would feel like child abuse to me.

SarahTancredi Thu 21-May-20 18:05:02

lord

Surely it would have to come under the definition of " non contact child abuse "

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 18:07:18

Grooming? But not by the teacher (hopefully).

OvaHere Thu 21-May-20 18:13:36

Is there a claim of any kind of developmental evidence base underlying this?

I ask because it's my understanding that the way children are taught is meant to have some sort of framework connected to they way children develop mentally and physically. Eg. The way phonics is taught has links back to how children learn language so there's a quantifiable grounding in something there.

I don't work in education so I might just be waffling here but does anyone else understand what I mean?

What is the evidence that any of this is beneficial and do schools actually consider that?

HoneysuckIejasmine Thu 21-May-20 18:15:09

I attended training relating to a new job. We were asked, in groups, to list things you might do with a friend or partner. After a while it was clear the trainer want us to include sexual activities (for valid reasons that became clear later on). My word, you could hear a pin drop. It was very awkward and this was a group of people ranging from about 18 to late 50s. Eventually someone caved and yelled "blow job" and so the gates opened, but it was initially absolutely mortifying. And I'm an adult with two children.

I think back to teenage me. My god, the ground would have swallowed me whole. As a teacher (previous career) I can not imagine getting my tutor group to play this. They'd either wither away with mortification or they'd get a kick out of proving how sexually active they were. This is not appropriate.

HoneysuckIejasmine Thu 21-May-20 18:15:39

How would this work with religious children?

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 18:17:28

I think ‘incloosivity’ trumps religion doesn’t it? Also see the ‘genital variations’ that includes FGM...

DrDavidBanner Thu 21-May-20 18:20:43

I'm with you Lordfrontpaw. Whoever thought of this has very little understanding of teenagers, as an inexperienced and awkward teenager I would have been mortified at the prospect having to play what is in effect a hen party game with my classmates.

Can you imagine? From what I can see all this does in give more ammunition for the gobby 'banter boys' to harass the girls and 'weaker' boys, stigmatises children who are not sexually active and puts teachers in a really difficult position.

Teenagers always believe that everyone is more sexually experienced than them, schools should be teaching them sexual health and boundaries and let them learn this kind of thing at their own pace.

ILikeSardines Thu 21-May-20 18:21:02

What the hell?

Lordfrontpaw Thu 21-May-20 18:23:47

It also gives bullies some nice new ammo for the quiet / shy kids. And ulcers for some kids!

truthisarevolutionaryact Thu 21-May-20 18:24:27

Absolutely awful. And yes - grooming in plain sight. The idea of sitting down with a class of year 9s (13 year olds) and playing that dice game about inserting objects into the vulva, anus, mouth etc is unthinkable.

For an organisation to openly sell a pack like this as appropriate for 13 year olds defies belief. It certainly breaches safeguarding guidelines and I would have thought there are also potential criminal acts being committed in discussing this in this way with groups of children.

SarahTancredi Thu 21-May-20 18:29:43

Absolutely awful. And yes - grooming in plain sight. The idea of sitting down with a class of year 9s (13 year olds) and playing that dice game about inserting objects into the vulva, anus, mouth etc is unthinkable.

And this is all now compulsory isnt it? No more being able to withdraw your child? It hasn't taken them long at all to take full advantage of a policy that was meant to protect kids from being the real life versions of carrie white, to cause them to do stuff which will cause them possibly permanently bodily harmangry

truthisarevolutionaryact Thu 21-May-20 18:34:54

This is going in (yet another letter) to my Tory MP. It's time that the government explained why they have funded and enabled so many organisations to access schools when the awful reality is that they are criminally unsuitable to be anywhere near children.

Imnobody4 Thu 21-May-20 18:37:09

Forcing/coercing a child or young person to participate in a game like this is actual abuse full stop. It is perfectly likely a child in any class will have been or is being sexually abused. This needs following through- who allocated the funding and what criteria was used?

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