The Proud Trust

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So very glad that MP Jackie Doyle-Price has picked up on this, but this is the kind of stuff now being submitted as PSHE teaching materials for schools, for ages 13+

Transgender Trend have done a complete analysis here https://www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/

Jackie's original tweet is here: https://twitter.com/jackiedp/status/1263450274422808577?s=21

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It's good to hear that there are competent adults working at the Proud Trust. But it's worrying to know that the trust can produce materials as detailed above that I suspect would constitute a criminal act for an adult who played a game with a group of 13 years olds in a school discussing the placing of objects into orifices. If they have no sense that this might not be a good idea in a school setting then it calls into question what else they might miss about safeguarding? And adults who work with children must be secure and competent about safeguarding risks as it's the basis of all work with children.

Has anyone posted this to AIBU or Chat yet? This could definitely use more sunlight.

I haven't seen it, might be an idea though purple

Be prepared to be told it belongs in the naughty corner that is FWR though. They dont like it when this stuff spills over

It is so worrying that parents have no idea what certain groups are teaching their children in schools.

Actually I’ve been thinking about them ds was the age. Our school had a meeting with the parents and relevant teachers and went through way they were teaching. None of this genderwoowoo stuff. Pretty much he olde sex Ed. This was around 4 years ago.

Ye Olde Sexe Educatione

Aaaah yes, the Ladybird Book of Your Body:

"When a man and a woman get married and want to have a baby...."

Imagine being a child that has or is suffering sexual abuse and being made to partake in that abomination of a class. They would feel that they had nowhere to turn for help. How could you trust that you could turn to your teachers for help, when your school is seen, not just condoning, but encouraging this kind of discussion. It's truly horrifying.

*How could you feel that you could turn to teachers for help

This is disgusting.

In a school. Wtaf. Are schools thinking to let this stuff into schools

Not really Mockers - it was about sex, sexuality, health and consent.

Depends when you are talking about.

I can thoroughly recommend the books of SexEd specialist Carol Lee for a positive model of how it ought to be.

it was about sex, sexuality, health and consent. and thats all schools need to teach them.

I don't know what the mentality is behind these kinds of classes. Is it naivety on their part or something more sinister.

Whichever way, I would like to be a child in that class or a teacher delivering that class. So many things could go wrong, I can't see who could benefit.

Oh my God, i would go apeshit if my 13 year old daughter was a class where that crap was "taught" !
Can we get Janice Turner or another journalist interested in exposing this? I do recommend people read the link provided to the Transgender Trend piece - it's long, but worth it and exposes a level of obfuscation, to say least, in how the Proud trust got its money....

I don't know what the mentality is behind these kinds of classes. Is it naivety on their part or something more sinister

We have already seen many cases reported in the papers about women who have died during " rough sex" and one who's body was basically mutilated with bottles because that was consensual " rough sex" too

I think its very obvious what/who benefits from children "willing and aware" of extreme sexual practices and which are being taught that not only are they normal but that with the girls, they no longer have any safe space they can hide in.

If you look at the full picture

No private spaces
No awareness of their own bodies ( women have dicks now)
No boundaries allowed
Dangerous sexual practices normalised

These kids are going to end up mentally and physically abused or dead at this rate

We know exactly who this benefits

And as a PP has said, it doesnt tanw much digging to realise its the same few people it always goes back to. Every time

We know exactly who this benefits

I guess I know, just thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. Its enraging and heartbreaking at the same time.

Every time we hear of systematic abuse of children and vulnerable people we're told that lessons will be learned.

The only lessons learned are 1, abusers learn what mistakes not to make next time. 2, the abused learn that they are expendable.

Ugh, sometimes I just want the world to burn

Rape is basically legal these days, and you can literally get away with murder if you tell them you were shagging at the time.

It was hard to imagine how it could get worse but tget managed it

I thought nothing about this whole sorry mess could shock me any more, but this proved me wrong.

It IS abusive to make children and teachers have those conversations.

It IS abusive to make children and teachers have those conversations.

Indeed. It's got to be highly cringeworthy for the teachers. Not to mention deeply concerning.

You're not supposed to take photographs of kids, or put your hand on their shoulder, but the kid goes home to their parents and says you've been talking about shoving objects up their arse and if it hurts use more lube??

Normalising pornography is so pervasive. It's become highly fashionable and edgy.

It's become highly fashionable and edgy.

In addition to the many other issues with this, schools aren't meant to be fashionable and edgy. That's not their job.

theprodigal I don't know if you saw it but there was a thread a while back where women who had grown up with parents who had embraced the swinging sixties discussed the effect. Their parents hadn't been wary enough around older men because they would have seen it as a betrayal of their liberal principles. As you can imagine it was quite harrowing. I think it was in chat but didn't bookmark it sadly.

It just goes to show how following the fashion rather than actually safeguarding can be a disaster

My daughter is 14. She still "eeews" at the TV if there is heated snogging on the TV. She would be mortified at this.

You're not supposed to take photographs of kids, or put your hand on their shoulder, but the kid goes home to their parents and says you've been talking about shoving objects up their arse and if it hurts use more lube??

Quite.

Not a lawyer but a quick glance at the Sexual Offences act 2003 suggests that there are a range of possible criminal offences around inciting a child to engage in sexual acts / abuse of trust that could be alleged against an adult who thinks this is appropriate behaviour to indulge in with a child. Surely any adult initiating these games is in grave danger of being accused of a criminal offence?

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents

Bumping this to ask whether there has been an update about this? Does anyone know?

Just emailed my MP about this. She’s on the Women and Equalities Committee. Will let you all know if I get a sensible reply - previous email on a related topic was ignored.

This is just abuse. It's really upset me.