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Most gender critical/female rights party?

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duriandurian Tue 15-Jan-19 09:28:18

I have just realised that if there is an election soon I won't have a clue to whom I should give my vote.
I was thinking Lib Dem because Remain/Second Referendum. But the news articles I have googled don't look good. My local white, male labour MP Matt Western shot me down when I tried to raise women's vs transgender rights with wording suspiciously similar to other MPs' emails which were posted on here at the time.
Spoil my ballot? Thanks.

User10fuckingmillion Tue 15-Jan-19 09:31:10

It was the Communists the other week! (possibility of getting elected nil)
It’s hard isn’t it?

JSmitty Tue 15-Jan-19 09:35:45

Vote for the candidate rather than the party.

Regards the Libs, Grandpa Vince will go and be replaced by Jo Swinson who refused to sit on Lord Renard's knee to be bounced up and down.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost Tue 15-Jan-19 09:41:42

The only MP who has understood, actively expressed concern and has taken any action at all seems to be David Davis.
Maybe others can post more MP's and we can work out which party is overall the best in this area.

Alltheprettyseahorses Tue 15-Jan-19 09:57:04

Caroline Flint has stood up in parliament on the side of women. Unfortunately, hers is the party of the wokebros.

dolorsit Tue 15-Jan-19 10:11:54

At the moment there isn't a party.

Look at the individual candidates, contact them and discover their views. Explain your perspective, you may be able to open their eyes. Tell them that this a key issue for you. You may find that they are sympathetic to your views despite their parties stance.

On your own it won't make much difference but if candidates receive a number of these approaches it will feedback to the party.

If all else fails and this a dealbreaker for you spoil your ballot paper with the reason why you didn't vote for the candidate. If possible still vote for an independent, assuming that there is one who isn't an anathema to your views. They won't win but they may get their deposit back.

I am considering doing this but over Brexit instead.

theOtherPamAyres Tue 15-Jan-19 10:47:22

While it's called 'spoiling your ballot', it is actually a powerful political act. It is especially powerful if loads of people do it. I intend to protest in this way at the local elections in May.

To make the protest count, you have to put a line through your ballot paper and write 'none'. This will make it clear to the returning officer that you have protested against all the parties. If you don't write 'none' clearly then it will be recorded as 'ambiguous', as though you have been confused by the choices.

To assist candidates to know why they have been rejected, you can write something like #Sexnotgender or #Woman: adult Human Female or #NoPartyStandsforWomen

All the parliamentary parties have declared that they believe TWAW and there is no sign that they will rethink that position soon or ever. They hope that we'll go away.

R0wantrees Tue 15-Jan-19 10:52:03

I was thinking Lib Dem because Remain/Second Referendum. But the news articles I have googled don't look good.

There is a core group of TRAs in the LibDems.
They have had a lot of influence.

Its very difficult within the LibDems to ask questions of trans rights ideology due to the current power some individuals hold, especially on social media.

nauticant Tue 15-Jan-19 11:06:48

I've voted for the Lib Dems for many years but I just cannot again while they turn a blind eye to the antics of twitter.com/LGBTLD. And although it's a comment from one person, Layla Moran saying should could see into people's souls makes me think "no, just no".

The ultra-woke have such a grip on Labour that I don't view them as a safe choice. I can write that without even factoring in Corbyn.

If the Conservatives made a clear statement that self ID was problematic I'd vote for them for the first time in my life. In the absence of that spoiling the ballot paper is a tempting choice.

theOtherPamAyres Tue 15-Jan-19 11:07:15

You may find that they are sympathetic to your views despite their parties stance

I would disagree with voting for individuals who, at election time, appear open to arguments that they will consider in the future.

A more robust approach is needed, in my view. Local candidates may be unaware of their party's anti-woman stance. They may secretly disagree with their party and be gender critical, but won't say anything to rock the boat. They can make all the promises that they want. Frankly, that's not good enough for me.

I strongly believe that they all need to feel women's wrath and power. The local elections will be a fore-taste of a General Election.

Ihaventgottimeforthis Tue 15-Jan-19 11:14:23

This is why I am slightly dreading the possibility of a GE. Just don't know what to do!
Women's rights/GC policies even aside, there is no party, nor any local candidate, who I feel I could happily give my vote to.
The whole lot are a shambles.
Perhaps Mebyon Kernow!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD Tue 15-Jan-19 11:18:04

Shame there isn’t an additional box that says ‘I’m holding my nose and voting for...’ next to the tick boxes.

R0wantrees Tue 15-Jan-19 11:23:35

The Veritas enquiry report about David Challenor, Aimee Challenor and Safeguarding systemic failures within the Green Party should lead to questions being asked of all parties.

That Aimee Challenor's influence in Green Party was bolstered by Stonewall and Mermaids Charity's support and training.

Serious questions are being asked of both organisations already.

The consequences of trans rights activism are issues for all parties.

SpareRibFem Tue 15-Jan-19 11:26:16

The lib dems are completely loopy on this topic, and their political influence has faded away, the conservatives are the least bad (on this issue) sad I wouldn't vote Maria Miller

Seriously considering volunteering to canvas for David Davies though next election, I may dislike some of his policies but he's stood up for women and a significantly increased majority for him would send a message.

dolorsit Tue 15-Jan-19 11:33:15

I would disagree with voting for individuals who, at election time, appear open to arguments that they will consider in the future.

I'm not suggesting that one should.

However, you may find that your candidate has, for example, attended meetings in the house or supported GC feminists. However, If you refuse to vote for a candidate who appears to be GC because their party is not then we will not get people who share our views into the house. At the same time make it clear this is a vote winning issue for you.

It is a balance, I for example wouldn't vote for a GC UKIP candidate. Each voter has their own red line and their own dilemma.

I agree that many are unaware or only have a superficial understanding of the issues which is why talking to your candidates is important. I know labour activists in my area were completely uninformed, probably because I live in a "non-woke" working class area.

R0wantrees Tue 15-Jan-19 11:34:56

MPs need to be aware of this.
As part of the International week of action at the end of January, contacting MPs would be a good thing to do.

Meeting face to face with MPs has been shown to be more effective than just letter writing.

All contituents are able to request a meeting.

dolorsit Tue 15-Jan-19 11:41:25

As an aside, my vote will be primarily based on Brexit, the first time in 30 years I will vote on a single issue.

I will be telling the Libdem and green candidates that the reason I can not vote for them is due to their attitude to women. A GC candidate would have to be very convincing to change my mind.

I think I am most likely going to spoil my ballot.

LangCleg Tue 15-Jan-19 11:44:18

If anybody meets with their MP or other representatives, you can tell them that your vote depends on their being on the public record with support for women - and ask them whether they would be prepared to break the whip for women's rights.

Terfing Tue 15-Jan-19 12:00:33

Sadly, UKIP are the only Party who oppose self-id sad

Puggled Tue 15-Jan-19 12:11:40

I would certainly consider an individual candidate whose openly expressed views I agree with even if their party line was different. Failing that, I'll go for writing in None of the above, and saying why. This goes for Brexit as well as self id.

OvaHere Tue 15-Jan-19 12:28:52

There just aren't any viable options for women currently. It feels like we are being pushed into a choice of old patriarchy versus new patriarchy and it's all the same old, bar the window dressing.

I despair really.

Ihaventgottimeforthis Tue 15-Jan-19 12:35:52

To misquote Joey, UKIP are so far past my red line, it has become a dot.
I'll never vote Conservative, ever.
I'm a natural Labour voter, but what with their Brexit non-stance, their shambling incompetence when it comes to Party coherence and discipline and their lack of respect for womens rights (plus my local candidate is a waste of space) I am very reluctant to give them any support and have concerns about their performance in government.
If only there was a choice of chaos with Ed Miliband!
LD would be where I probably go. If they put someone up locally, and I get a chance to hear their response on womens rights.

traceyracer Tue 15-Jan-19 12:39:59

I believe in Sweden there is a political party whose main focus is feminism. they are infamous for wanting what they call a "man tax"

NoIsACompleteButRudeSentence Tue 15-Jan-19 12:40:18

I would like a plan for a widespread spoiling of ballots with the same slogan for want of a better word (like the ones suggested upthread).

Women need to unite and make a noticeable impact as a concerted movement.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria Tue 15-Jan-19 12:44:07

I really worry about this.

I have told my local MSP that while he's great, I'm not voting for the party because of their gender critical nonsense. He looked genuinely surprised, I'm a leftie liberal.

If there's a GE I will meet with my MP, also Lib Dem.

What's best to do - give them a copy of the Veritas report? Aimee's a Lib dem now, isn't she?

Ask them about what they will do to protect women only spaces seeing as how 154 women were murdered by men last year and we already have men masquerading as women to access except spaces?

Fecking nightmare.

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