The Guardian's US Staff are Revolting

[FreshlyBakedRolls]

Seems like the Guardian staff over-the-pond are leading a revolt against the Guardian UK's editorial stance, as it is "Transphobic".

They state "our journalism should be grounded in the principle that trans women are women"

That's true, Aspire - maybe "grammatically correct" wasn't the right phrase. But I do think there's something interesting going on here in that you have what are clearly reasonably intelligent and educated people wilfully parroting nonsense. It keeps making me think of the phrase about "becoming fools for Christ." All millenarian, extremist movements (religious cults, political movements) demand loyalty by getting their adherents to deny reality and spout nonsense.

Oh dear, not off to a great start

twitter.com/multiplebears/status/1059462120490917888?s=19

So why do they choose, wilfully and deliberately, to suspend all critical judgement?

Good catch, R0wantrees

Hairdressers. Sobs and rocks gently.

Won't anyone think of the hairdressers?

Lols Fermat
The hairdressers.
Imagine a person wrote that shite and then admitted to it 😂😂😂
In public

I'd really like Bowlofbabelfish to have a chat with Edie....

Also in the Guardian, this open letter from many Green Party members:

"Greens support trans people
We were dismayed by the letter from a small group of members of several parties about the Gender Recognition Act. We write to support such changes – commonsense policies that will drastically improve rights for trans and non-binary people (Letters). Green party policy is emphatically on the side of self-identification for trans and non-binary people. Our policies recognise that all humans have the right to autonomy over their bodies.

The best way to keep gendered spaces safe is to restrict entry based on past behaviour, rather than body parts. This is already supposed to happen and where it does not it is a failure of safeguarding. The proposed changes would keep such safeguarding rules in place. We are fortunate to be in a society where people will not tolerate spreading misinformation about the Gender Recognition Act in the guise of feminism. We support those women who ask questions and seek to inform themselves in good faith."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/28/brexit-peoples-vote-it-is-time-to-speak-up

The best way to keep gendered spaces safe is to restrict entry based on past behaviour, rather than body parts

So what exactly is a ‘gendered’ space? Who is allowing them given that there are no exceptions for gender in EA? They sound a bit discriminatory to me.

How on earth are you supposed to know about past offences? A DBA check before entry to a ‘gendered’ space? Tattoo the foreheads of past offenders?

I wonder what they think about SINGLE SEX spaces?

Talk of previous bahaviour at best means previous convictions which for sexual abuse, domestic violence, coercive control etc is recognised to be poorly prosecuted.

I do think any past conviction for a misogynistic hate crime (rape, sexual assault, domestic violence) should disbar the perpetrator from ever getting a GRC.

The best way to keep gendered spaces safe is to restrict entry based on past behaviour, rather than body parts

Given that I’ve never had a car crash, I don’t see why I should wear a safety belt.

Aspie
I'd like to see someone give that comeback to Caroline Lucas on QT and see if she comes back from it (I suspect not).

Good article about the bad article

excelpope.wordpress.com/2018/11/06/the-beauty-of-bad/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

"Ultimately, it lays the blame in the wrong place. Mumsnet is a temperature gauge for the nation. It is a huge and diverse audience, some left, some right, some sceptics, some daily readers of their horoscope, some in the media, some who never even turn on the news. If you haven’t convinced them then you haven’t convinced the general public and, until there’s acceptance that there’s an argument to be won, rather than demands to be made, you never will."

Excelpope is great.

"It never occurs to the author that the problem isn’t that their case has been distorted, but that it’s never been presented."

Award winning investigative journalist, Glenn Greenwald, (and a big fan of Owen Jones) thought that the US Guardian had discovered a huge story:

The extreme and virulent animus for trans people and trans rights among the UK's liberal intelligentsia - especially its liberal journalism circles - is just bizarre and an under-covered story.

Suffice to say, he got his arse handed back to him. His reputation for having his finger on the pulse and a nose for a good story has taken a tumble.

twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1059084627778904064

Glenn “stop all this vindictive spite towards my lovely friend Julian Assange!” Greenwald? Well whoever would have thought it.

6/11/18 Spectator article, 'Mumsnet and the British media aren’t ‘transphobic’
Robert Jackman
(extract)
"At first glance, Trump’s plans appear to go in the opposite direction: by using biological sex as the marker for all relevant discrimination legislation, they would essentially invalidate the status of transgender individuals accessing federal government programmes. It doesn’t take a vivid imagination – or a social-justice warrior mindset – to picture the unfairness that such an approach would cause.

When you look closer, though, you realise that the Trump proposal is essentially the mirror-image of what the self-ID lobby is calling for. And the differences don’t stop there: for a start, both are deeply ideological positions which rely on a religious or political belief and then apply this to all cases. Crucially, neither system is able to apply discretion or accept that – in some circumstances – one metric (biological sex or gender identity) makes more sense than the other.

This is why many British newspapers have expressed concerns about the GRA reform: not because of any underlying bigotry but because it seeks to apply a fringe ideological conviction to an immensely complicated question." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mumsnet-and-the-british-media-arent-transphobic/

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416273-The-Spectator-Mumsnet-and-the-British-media-aren-t-transphobic