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MissBeehiving Fri 16-Mar-18 18:23:09

The Law Society awards are open for nomination at the moment and depressingly, the “Woman Lawyer of the Year” is now open to anyone identifying as a woman. So the award designed to celebrate the achievement of women in the legal profession, is now fair game for men.

www.lawsociety.org.uk/events/excellence-awards/categories-and-criteria/

Jon66 Fri 16-Mar-18 18:24:57

Oh please stop being so stupid. Go and read the equality act/do something useful.

MillicentWiseman Fri 16-Mar-18 18:25:43

How very disappointing .....

Patodp Fri 16-Mar-18 18:26:59

How is it stupid...

People who "self define as women" are male.

Women don't do that.

MrsWooster Fri 16-Mar-18 18:27:03

Woman Lawyer of Year
In 2017, women solicitors represented more than half the profession, however still too few women reach senior level positions. In addition to achieving professional excellence in her field at senior level, we're looking to recognise a woman solicitor who has achieved significant results either in her business or for the benefit of society through her legal skills. This individual will have opened doors historically closed to women and will be inspiring and influencing others to pursue a career in law.

Open to solicitors who identify as a woman
Worth an email to them asking for their definition of a woman..?

NoSuchThingAsAlpha Fri 16-Mar-18 18:27:27

Jon66

And so speaketh the Patriarchy.

MrsWooster Fri 16-Mar-18 18:29:04

Assuming they won't answer that it is someone who has benefitted from male privilege to open doors historically closed to women and then donned a frock.

GeorgeTheHippo Fri 16-Mar-18 18:36:27

Please God let an actual woman win

CisMyArse Fri 16-Mar-18 18:41:35

Jon, I'm assuming you're male here, but even if you're not, why aren't you willing to accept
that many, many women are concerned about this?

smashyourglasses Fri 16-Mar-18 18:45:43

YOU go and do something useful (maybe some DIY?) and stop trying to police what women post.

LostArt Fri 16-Mar-18 18:47:48

You've got to admire the speed of the TRA. They can randomly browse the feminist board, read a post - including a link and respond in under a minute. impressive.

MissBeehiving Fri 16-Mar-18 18:47:51

Jon66 - thanks for that well thought out contribution to the debate.

DH is threatening to self ID as a solicitor and a woman and enter. He’s an accountant so it’s clearly just professional jealously. 🤣🤣🤣

It really is so infuriating that a profession that is focussed on rational, logical debate and the rule of law is ignoring the fucking evidence of biology.

GardenGeek Fri 16-Mar-18 18:49:32

Honestly I said this today. If sex choice could be selected at birth I would choose all boys.

I have no idea how I could explain or frame any of this to a daughter if she asked genuinely why no-one recognises sex. I would just be completely lying and making it up to as why this is OK and completely gas-lighting her. I couldn't do that.

I am assuming the boys wouldn't really realise maybe? I doubt DP watches something and thinks oh no women instinctively. Where as women obviously do. And do all other under-represented groups such as race, LGBTQ+.

This is why I am also so confused. Because replacing/ renaming/ conflating any group or part of someones existence would be condemned.

I am finding the double think so confusing. How can people think so strongly for a core value and then be so vehemently for something against that.

Its really scary tbh and been getting me anxious today

SuitedandBooted Fri 16-Mar-18 19:09:43

I feel an email to the daily mail coming on....anyone else?

tips@dailymail.com

I'll be including an eye-catching title. Something like
"Top Woman's Award Now Offered to Men"

Jon66 Fri 16-Mar-18 19:09:53

Lots of assumptions on here. But what about my point re the Equality Act. Regardless of how you feel, the law says . . . well go and read it.

PaleBlueMoonlight Fri 16-Mar-18 19:18:12

Jon66. It allows for discrimination on the basis of sex in certain circumstances. This would mean that women (including transwomen who have a GRC - ii.e. all people who are women as a matter of law) would be eligible. That's not the same thing as anyone who identifies as a woman. If you all legal women to be eligible, then just say women.

Patodp Fri 16-Mar-18 19:19:15

What's your point about the equality act?

I've read it.

There are exemptions that allow trans identified people to be excluded on the basis of biological sex.

There are situations that allow women only and male only shortlists/awards etc.

So what's your point?

There's no need for an award to be offered to women only when it allows men on the list. Why bother calling it a women's award? I don't care that it's "legal".

It's unethical.

Jon66 Fri 16-Mar-18 19:22:05

It reminds me of attitudes years ago toward homosexuals, and people of colour, ethnic groups etc etc. It doesn't directly affect you unless you are a female solicitor. Are you? Personally I think it's great the Law Society are being open and transparent and looking forwards to the change in the law and pre-empting that.

PaleBlueMoonlight Fri 16-Mar-18 19:22:17

*If you want all legal women then just say women.

PaleBlueMoonlight Fri 16-Mar-18 19:26:06

Jon66 So your point has nothing to do with the Equalities Act, you are just supportive of the possible change in the law and pleased that organisations are embracing that change before it is made. Why didn’t you just say so.

Jon66 Fri 16-Mar-18 19:27:58

No, I'm following the charter on diversity and inclusion.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen Fri 16-Mar-18 19:28:06

Just don't bother having women awards please if this is how they are going to be.

I will never, ever, ever, in my life take any of these seriously again, not since Phil Bunce got a top 50 women in finance award for cross dressing at work and taking himself in the ladies loos when he felt like it. Utter garbage rubbish. I just think the women that take part are as sad as the beauty show women now, part of a man's validation parade.

Vomit..

titchy Fri 16-Mar-18 19:28:26

* It doesn't directly affect you unless you are a female solicitor.*

Well yeah that's the point.... It clearly DOES affect female solicitors which is pretty shit.

You are obviously the sort of self-centred person that doesn't care about anything unless it affects you. Many people here however do care about stuff that doesn't affect them. Hence the posts. And that's without mentioning the gradual erosion of recognition of biological females' achievements.

titchy Fri 16-Mar-18 19:30:39

And for the record the comparison with gay rights is flawed. Can you imagine the outrage in the gay community if an award for best gay solicitor went to a straight bloke.

Patodp Fri 16-Mar-18 19:31:11

The law society are choosing not to apply the exemptions in the EA2010 that allow them to exclude trans identified men from their women only awards. They are fully entitled to do so and legally free to do so.

I believe they should limit women only to women only. Woman means something.

Again, john66 apart from accusing us of racism confused I don't get your point.

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