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Hilary Clinton emails - Explain please

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hollyisalovelyname Sat 29-Oct-16 09:27:07

I have no idea what the Hilary Clinton emails 'scandal' is all about.
Could wiser Mumsnetters please explain it to me.
Thank you.

sonlypuppyfat Sat 29-Oct-16 09:31:12

Good question I'm interested too

BakeOffBiscuits Sat 29-Oct-16 09:39:57

I may have this wrong but my undress anoint is......

When she was in govt she used a private server to send govt emails. She should not have done this. The FBI looked into this, out of 30,000 emails sent only 100 were found ot have been "classified". FBI said they would not press charges. Case closed unless you're Trump

Some more emails have now been found. The FBI said they will look into them. No one knows if they contain anything "classified" but Trump and his side are making full use of this news.

BakeOffBiscuits Sat 29-Oct-16 09:40:19


RosesShouldBeInTins Sat 29-Oct-16 09:42:11

And what are the implications of that? Why would she have used a private server?

Thanks! I wanted to understand this too!

BakeOffBiscuits Sat 29-Oct-16 09:49:26

The implications are that Trump's side are saying she is a criminal and should be in jail. He actually said that to her in one of the debates, something along the lines of "If I were President, you would be in jail".

She was incredibly stupid to use the private server, there is no denying that. But it doesn't mean she should be in jail, the FBI have clarified that. But Trump's side are saying the FBI are corrupt and haven't investigated properly hmm

lljkk Sat 29-Oct-16 09:51:14

I think (happy to be corrected)....

she set up private email server rather than use the state dept one (state dept. one has since been hacked, hers have never been hacked). (Colin Powell/Con. Rice did exactly same thing, btw).

HRC very thoroughly deleted all emails she received or sent after she quit being sec of state. (could be sensitive info).
Because folk R sure HRC did bad things, they say proof is in the deleted emails.
Therefore, HRC is accused of hiding something.

Later, HRC aide's husband was accuse of bad things (no question plenty proof of this). Now announced the FBI R looking at emails sent to/from aide & (now ex) husband. some of HRC's emails may be in this group of new Ems to look @.

The whole story only make sense if U believe HRC must have deliberately hid proof of herself doing bad things. Else it's a witch hunt.

HillaryFTW Sat 29-Oct-16 09:51:20

I believe part of her defence is that her server was very secure (set up for Bill by the security services after he left office). It wasn't yahoo mail.

HillaryFTW Sat 29-Oct-16 09:52:19

X post ljikk

She still shouldn't have done it but she has acknowledged it was a mistake to do so.

BurnTheBlackSuit Sat 29-Oct-16 09:54:27

But why did she do this? Working from home of an evening and sent messages from there not thinking (so an error of judgement)? Or for some evil intent (what??)?

Is it the tech equivalent to leaving a briefcase in your car containing documents?

zippey Sat 29-Oct-16 09:56:49

I think the implication is that she was using a private server with a private email address rather than an official government email address (on government servers) so she had total control over her emails. Her emails couldn't be leaked and any dodgy emails she could get rid of and no one would be able to trace her steps.

It's very dodgy.

BurnTheBlackSuit Sat 29-Oct-16 09:57:12

What bad things has she supposedly done?

lljkk Sat 29-Oct-16 09:59:04

Not = "tech equivalent to leaving a briefcase in your car containing documents". In fact, Trump wants the emails to be hacked & published regardless of content.

This story is all about her (allegedly) hiding evidence of her evilness.

BakeOffBiscuits Sat 29-Oct-16 09:59:13

No one knows what bad things she's supposed to have done. Because no one, including the FBI have found anything bad in the emails.

prh47bridge Sat 29-Oct-16 10:00:39

She says she used a private server as a matter of convenience and to avoid having to carry two smartphones, one for work and one for personal use. The Blackberry supplied by the government could only handle one email address which would have been her work address. It appears she did not use or even activate her official government email account.

This is an issue because it meant that classified government secrets ended up on her private server. The security of her private server is very unlikely to have been as good as the security of the government's servers. It also gave her control over what should and should not be provided to the government, made public via freedom of information requests, passed on the Congressional committees, etc.

Clinton may be guilty of criminal offences relating to mishandling classified information, hence the FBI involvement. However, despite Trump and his supporters calling for her to be jailed, it is unlikely she would be convicted even if she was prosecuted. There would have to be something really explosive in the new emails to change that. She could, however, lose her security clearance. But, regardless of how unlikely it may be, this gives Trump and his supporters a chance to brand her a crook. He is, of course, going over the top. He has said this is "bigger than Watergate". It isn't.

Whether this will affect the outcome of the election is difficult to say at this stage. The timing is certainly unfortunate for Clinton.

lljkk Sat 29-Oct-16 10:02:38

Benghazi is chief among HRC's alleged sins.

& here.

BastardBernie Sat 29-Oct-16 10:02:50

So much hatred for Hillary over there. No one can give a straight forward answer as to why when I have asked why, I think it's strange.

scrappydappydoo Sat 29-Oct-16 10:04:02

Plus the problem is that if they pursue Hilary to prosecution then it would open a whole can of worms in the US government as lots of others have done similar including Republicans so Trump is on road to nowhere really just whipping up crowds in frenzy.

zippey Sat 29-Oct-16 13:34:42

I think there's a hatred for Hilary for a few reasons. For one she is a woman, and a lot of people won't think women are up to the job. There's never been a woman president despite women making 50% of the population.

There's probably anger towards her hubby as well, plus the way she conducted herself against people her husband had an affair with.

Plus she is smart, calculated and doesn't come across as warm as, say Obama or her husband.

hollyisalovelyname Sat 29-Oct-16 16:51:02

I don't warm to Hilary 'I'm not going to be some Tammy Wynette....' Clinton.
I would love a female US President.
Just not her.
And I don't get the attraction of Bill Clinton either. So many women swoon about him.
But I do appreciate what the Clintons did for the Peace Process in Northern Ireland.
I wouldn't vote for Trump either.
I'd hate to be a US voter.
Are there two other candidates?

KickAssAngel Sat 29-Oct-16 17:22:51

Hillary also has a lot of links to big money and Wall Street. She's seen to go hand in glove with bankers, and would likely bail them out if there were another crash. So there's a lot of suspicion about where her loyalties lie - it's business over people.

BUT she is a competent, experienced politician.

I think she'd be a competent president. I can't imagine her doing anything great, but I can believe she'd keep things steady. She will, however, probably have to spend more time than she should facing accusations from the Republicans, just as Obama had to waste time explaining what a birth certificate looked like.

lljkk Sat 29-Oct-16 18:10:08

Hillary also has a lot of links to big money and Wall Street

& Trump doesn't? confused

KickAssAngel Sat 29-Oct-16 18:16:23

Trump is a man of the people - not like all the evil politicians who have been doing the job their whole lives. He's the wild card, the rogue outsider, speaking out for the common man, listening to what people really want, bonding over locker room banter.

That's why he'll stand up to the evil professional politicians and make America great again.

OhtoblazeswithElvira Sat 29-Oct-16 18:22:22

bigger than Watergate hmm

IMO nothing can be bigger than a presidential candidate admitting to having sexually assaulted many women. I didn't see anyone rushing to investigate that. We live in a very sad world sad

lljkk Sat 29-Oct-16 18:22:58

people like "locker room banter" by guys with monster size egos? confused

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